tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-58463557768655595992024-03-29T14:28:19.049+11:00Systemic Functional Linguistics Community CollegialityUsing Appraisal Theory To Reveal Primate Dominance Strategies In The Systemic Functional Linguistics CommunityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-72403974392248930842024-03-29T09:41:00.000+11:002024-03-29T09:41:58.624+11:00Most Pageviews by Country<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWyJNHylQd6sdVvgT7vvsktCt06WP1Xty2Y2K8Cd1aepPwu5qJDCRlqQ7CidQCfpkbyGQs8gk1GA7uFhaEUe-Kvek5nGalULBSayEe7buw-LNX_zZpBNe9mVropXDklSFt-NfEucvbOEsstZJu0aRapXqJR3zQhlBEitSI1cFzsPCTHaICoUmppr-Sccw6/s1456/Screenshot%202024-03-29%20at%209.40.51%20am.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1456" data-original-width="1344" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWyJNHylQd6sdVvgT7vvsktCt06WP1Xty2Y2K8Cd1aepPwu5qJDCRlqQ7CidQCfpkbyGQs8gk1GA7uFhaEUe-Kvek5nGalULBSayEe7buw-LNX_zZpBNe9mVropXDklSFt-NfEucvbOEsstZJu0aRapXqJR3zQhlBEitSI1cFzsPCTHaICoUmppr-Sccw6/w590-h640/Screenshot%202024-03-29%20at%209.40.51%20am.png" width="590" /></a></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-22685675995543741272024-03-24T14:00:00.003+11:002024-03-25T15:39:07.907+11:00David Rose Likening A Cancer Survivor Disfigured By Life-Saving Treatment To The Elephant Man<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/Hallidays-response-to-criticism,16" target="_blank">After Rob Spence described his facial disfigurement resulting from life-saving cancer treatment on asflanet on 24 Mar at 9:20</a>:</p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">But the parson's nose image itself was prompted by seeing my own nose on Friday, just two weeks after its reconstruction following four unsuccessful attempts to remove a basal cell carcinoma plus one final, successful, but radical attempt. I currently have part of my forehead attached to the side of my nose — and it literally looks like nothing more than the rear end of a stuffed chook.</div></blockquote><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc0AK8v5WM62XgR15JWsklOXDZ-DMw9JPVjmq8F05xGFDKhM8z5rkRcWLjHEkkbqZ6JgPW6zae8ITzAHM50XRMtVE_ruMOdK82pwBvbAN7YL0MEM741-3lR0460J1pLRUnmxKvNnjVabVezEzfDrmFHFLf1ehT_aJnZnVmPib5hd71vhHor6tWutfnuzlt/s160/drose_small.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="62" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc0AK8v5WM62XgR15JWsklOXDZ-DMw9JPVjmq8F05xGFDKhM8z5rkRcWLjHEkkbqZ6JgPW6zae8ITzAHM50XRMtVE_ruMOdK82pwBvbAN7YL0MEM741-3lR0460J1pLRUnmxKvNnjVabVezEzfDrmFHFLf1ehT_aJnZnVmPib5hd71vhHor6tWutfnuzlt/w46-h62/drose_small.jpg" width="46" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/Hallidays-response-to-criticism,17" target="_blank">David Rose replied on asflanet at 10:01</a>:<p></p><div style="text-align: justify;"><blockquote>I hope you’re following <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Merrick">Joseph Merrick</a>’s lead to put your head in a bag.</blockquote></div><div><span style="color: #222222;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #222222;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #222222;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</span></div><div><span style="color: #222222;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><img border="0" height="63" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8YDPghwWtIYfDflz-Lpoetc2u0lm1jbMoQEEl6cMR8htJTQhMLu0GtTxzPoaShyphenhyphenE24fKDvu0l3SghSqfBupcBp7LAC3TVumoOMMw2N7MedHp52GIm4WV5r3x_rwAIRPsmcgXkmFuwz2zNOz2y9UAjN_qY2b1ncnRuADaeuZadzTQx5fdL_VTLxfGF8Yje/w728-h63/1.png" width="728" /></div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-45231429521241531002024-03-14T14:00:00.001+11:002024-03-14T14:02:55.424+11:00David Kellogg Negatively Judging The Propriety And Tenacity Of ChRIS CLÉiRIGh<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNWxfkciDNp3ANoCCabotNaTVPUSGaeI28L0gNNEYC1H2_twI7QkDRkljkRrskvDZwQzLm5lI56zLmoYpv9LFDje8xP_h2rCp-xPur7E2kTacdcsXrc5e9Z4C72ZjBGSwZ58EOgtgNZPdqge-M-CK39VAmN31DLvjlUf7bYavqYcXb7tsjwo-Plw6j02vj/s80/dk.png" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="80" data-original-width="80" height="80" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNWxfkciDNp3ANoCCabotNaTVPUSGaeI28L0gNNEYC1H2_twI7QkDRkljkRrskvDZwQzLm5lI56zLmoYpv9LFDje8xP_h2rCp-xPur7E2kTacdcsXrc5e9Z4C72ZjBGSwZ58EOgtgNZPdqge-M-CK39VAmN31DLvjlUf7bYavqYcXb7tsjwo-Plw6j02vj/s1600/dk.png" width="80" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/informal-fallacy-of-the-week,1" target="_blank">David Kellogg wrote to <span style="font-size: x-small;">ChRIS CLÉiRIGh</span> on sys-func on 8 Mar 2024, 08:40</a>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">Here are two arguments against posting "informal logical fallacies" instead of actual linguistic (theoretical and practical) work on our list.</span> <span style="color: #a64d79;">See which you find more convincing.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">a) The posting of informal logical fallacies facilitates <span style="color: red;">petty one-up-manship</span>; it's something people (overwhelmingly white men) do instead of real research, because it yields <span style="color: red;">smugness</span> and <span style="color: red;">self-satisfaction without responsibility</span> — and without results. (It is also <span style="color: red;">cowardly</span> because, as we saw with <span style="color: red;">your</span> very first example, it means <span style="color: red;">you</span> can insinuate and hint at names <span style="color: #ff00fe;">instead of engaging flesh-and-blood thinkers and their actual arguments!</span>)</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">b) <span style="color: #674ea7;">Informal logic, like formal logic, is simply one form of logic. But logic is, by its very nature, an abstraction based on millennia of historical generalisation. Logic always requires some kind of mediating system of concepts — always domain specific — before it can be applied. This is why one kind of logic obtains in arithmetic (where differences are always significant) and a different kind in statistics (where differences can be insignificant). This is why we have one kind of logic in the human sciences (where societies that look after the old, the poor, and the sick are considered more evolved) and a different kind in biology (where the survival of the infirm tends to devolution and extinction).</span> As Vygotsky said, a "Marxist psychology" would be as sterile as a Marxist mineralogy:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">(Personally, I find BOTH of them convincing; I suppose that means I am either tone-deaf or <span style="color: #800180;">tone-unpoliced</span>....)</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/R-Re-informal-fallacy-of-the-week,1" target="_blank">and to Sys-Func on 9 Mar 2024, at 08:19</a>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Notice that ALL of the responses to my initial response to Chris's "tone policing fallacy" have been responses to a). That was the argument which included words like "<span style="color: red;">one-up-manship</span>", "<span style="color: red;">smug</span>", "<span style="color: red;">self-satisfaction</span>", "<span style="color: red;">cowardly</span>" to characterise <span style="color: red;">what Chris was doing</span>. …</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div> <div style="text-align: justify;"><u><b>Blogger Comments</b></u>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhHFP-x7D0K8V9OfkllCfvoTS2SF5u0Ofv17PT-hHJ1lN9au6QB67xc5jdfHQtMLIVhMsy1DqlzWGUzNTJu9Hc0hzXow1AajfgWJS61_yS_hUH9NQWmRRPijshIPJf6irX4KBIFPV26aFxXWB28xCP0b78Pj5DkW-24lG8r7NMgJLLcwI6GPKa30zqjoORf/s640/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="125" data-original-width="640" height="126" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhHFP-x7D0K8V9OfkllCfvoTS2SF5u0Ofv17PT-hHJ1lN9au6QB67xc5jdfHQtMLIVhMsy1DqlzWGUzNTJu9Hc0hzXow1AajfgWJS61_yS_hUH9NQWmRRPijshIPJf6irX4KBIFPV26aFxXWB28xCP0b78Pj5DkW-24lG8r7NMgJLLcwI6GPKa30zqjoORf/w640-h126/1.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">[1]</span> An argument for posting types of informal fallacies to the sys-func list is that it may help scholars to identify fallacious arguments, and to thwart the bullies who use them. </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #a64d79;">[2]</span> To be clear, in presuming that either of the alternative arguments is "convincing", this is an example of the <i>false binary</i> fallacy:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><blockquote>A <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma">false dilemma</a>, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. The source of the fallacy lies not in an invalid form of inference but in a false premise. This premise has the form of a disjunctive claim: it asserts that one among a number of alternatives must be true. This disjunction is problematic because it oversimplifies the choice by excluding viable alternatives, presenting the viewer with only two absolute choices when in fact, there could be many.</blockquote><p><span style="color: red;">[3]</span> To be clear, these are examples of the <i>argumentum ad hominem</i> fallacy:<br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem"></a></p><blockquote><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem"><i>Ad hominem</i></a> (Latin for 'to the person'), short for <i>argumentum ad hominem</i>, refers to several types of arguments, which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff00fe;">[4]</span> This is the exact opposite of what is true, since it is not possible to identify the fallacies in an argument without engaging with the actual argument in order to determine its validity.</p><p><span style="color: #674ea7;">[5]</span> To be clear, this mistakes different fields in which logic is applied for different types of logic. Logic is reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity, wherever it is applied. The examples provided for the human sciences and biology are not different types of logic. The former is a value judgement of types of societies, and the latter is a self-contradictory misunderstanding of evolution which posits that survival leads to extinction.</p><p><span style="color: #800180;">[6]</span> This misunderstands the fallacy of <a data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing&source=gmail&ust=1710468334993000&usg=AOvVaw1YPgvCrQqVZGRHiv8q4lkW" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; color: #3366cc; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank" title="Tone policing">tone policing</a> – which is arguing by</p></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">focusing on emotion behind (or resulting from) a message rather than the message itself as a discrediting tactic.<p></p><ul style="background-color: white; color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; text-align: start;"></ul></div></blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-21172684855942114702024-02-24T11:00:00.012+11:002024-03-14T10:30:18.354+11:00Yaegan Doran Falsely Accusing ChRIS CLÉiRIGh Of Impropriety<div style="text-align: justify;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEHQIYhGPUhqJRLZFaixlbrsvrVU2B1cl00qMC0-YCO0xIb36oZbtdDLm9uuzjlcJu2ngrvqSATgTyzyQwNT-HeOVRbGhGA98okLmczqj-asNdNhD_SjWIiOWAqurEUIBVziS7cEQZlRIzY4rRqz_7SWoxrldPg0ZggT-K9wm5YtNK0xAFPfUZlBsIWbVc/s188/yaegan.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="188" data-original-width="116" height="188" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEHQIYhGPUhqJRLZFaixlbrsvrVU2B1cl00qMC0-YCO0xIb36oZbtdDLm9uuzjlcJu2ngrvqSATgTyzyQwNT-HeOVRbGhGA98okLmczqj-asNdNhD_SjWIiOWAqurEUIBVziS7cEQZlRIzY4rRqz_7SWoxrldPg0ZggT-K9wm5YtNK0xAFPfUZlBsIWbVc/s1600/yaegan.jpg" width="116" /></a></div>Yaegan Doran wrote to <span style="font-size: x-small;">ChRIS CLÉiRIGh</span> on 23 Feb 2024, at 12:55:<br /><div></div><blockquote><div>I understand that you disagree with David’s characterisation, <span style="color: #6aa84f;">and that is fine</span>. Can I request though that when discussing it in asflanet you avoid <span style="color: red;">sarcasm or ridicule such as this</span>?</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">We have had multiple people get in contact who have said <span style="color: #7f6000;">they are not comfortable participating in the forum specifically because of</span> <span style="color: #800180;">a small set of people such as you</span>, who at times writes in a way that people read as <span style="color: #ff00fe;">condescending, dismissive or ridiculing</span>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">I am writing this privately so as to avoid <span style="color: #3d85c6;">calling you out publicly</span>, but I do request that you tone your messages down in this regard.</div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><u><b>Blogger Comments</b></u>:</p><div style="text-align: justify;">This is not the first time Doran has attempted to bully <span style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span> with a false accusation;</span> see:</div><div><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2020/11/yaegan-doran-negatively-judging-sys.html"><blockquote>Yaegan Doran Falsely Accusing The Sys-Func Moderator Of Racism</blockquote></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgTLg1BtIqMcnnLbavMDkpc2J7_VrWpKgAaQMR7IAyZ0fENsA28TeXKwMn2kdpskR597k73mTGjib4f01ynCq6ol1F3wT_8W9_1WCK3dZol-i_ejoIEIvCR6RyVKFZCN0-T4LgD8c-6xz11DXPwiJ6RRnzmCkMnrg-1WHNJM9ilKYX2rgtONBvPyBj-dep5/s646/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="105" data-original-width="646" height="104" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgTLg1BtIqMcnnLbavMDkpc2J7_VrWpKgAaQMR7IAyZ0fENsA28TeXKwMn2kdpskR597k73mTGjib4f01ynCq6ol1F3wT_8W9_1WCK3dZol-i_ejoIEIvCR6RyVKFZCN0-T4LgD8c-6xz11DXPwiJ6RRnzmCkMnrg-1WHNJM9ilKYX2rgtONBvPyBj-dep5/w640-h104/1.png" width="640" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">[1]</span> Here Doran grants CLÉiRIGh permission to disagree with Rose. But see also </p><div style="font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0.75em 0px 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://whatliesbeneathsfl.blogspot.com/2022/11/2-culture-of-anti-intellectualism-in.html"><blockquote>The Promotion Of Anti-Intellectualism In The SFL Community</blockquote></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">But in this case, contrā Doran's claim, <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span> wasn't disagreeing with Rose, and Rose wasn't presenting a characterisation. <a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/betterorworse,6" target="_blank">Rose had written</a>:</p><p style="text-align: justify;"></p><blockquote style="text-align: justify;">Perhaps we need to consider theories in relation to the communities that affiliate around them.</blockquote><p></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">[2]</span> This is misleading, because it is untrue. <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span> was not using sarcasm or ridicule; he seriously meant what he said:</p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Yes, good idea. Let's consider Creation Science and Natural Selection in relation to the communities that affiliate around them. It may not tell us much about the theories, but it will tell us a lot about the communities.</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">The reason <span style="font-size: x-small; text-align: start;">CLÉiRIGh</span> judged Rose's suggestion to consider theories in relation to the communities that affiliate around them to be a good idea is that it would bring to light what is regarded as evidence for (or against) a theory in different communities. See also <a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2024/02/david-rose-on-theories-communities-and.html">David Rose On Theories, Communities And Academic Fields</a>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #7f6000;">[3]</span> This is misleading, because it is untrue. In the SFL email discussion lists, the proportion of subscribers who participate in theoretical discussions is typically less than 1%. Here Doran merely repeats the previous bare assertion of his community colleague Dreyfus (recorded <a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2024/02/shooshi-dreyfus-falsely-accusing-chris.html" target="_blank">here</a>).</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800180;">[4]</span> This is misleading, because it is untrue. <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span> posts to the asflanet list only extremely rarely, and many of its subscribers would not know anything about him. </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">[5]</span> To be clear, Doran provides no evidence that any of <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span>'s few posts were condescending, dismissive or ridiculing. Again, here is part of a post in which <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span> helped a list member to understand a theoretical point, for which he thanked him muchly off-list:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div><blockquote>But my main reason for commenting is just to say how great it is to see someone reasoning grammatically. More power to you.</blockquote></div></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Moreover, if Doran were really serious about policing the tone of posts on asflanet, he would instead target David Rose, but Doran and Rose are, in Bernstein's terms, both priests of the same prophet, Martin. For just one example of Rose's behaviour on email lists, see the post <a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2012/01/david-rose-negatively-judging-chris.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">[6]</span> To be clear, Doran is a junior academic, half <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span>'s age. His inappropriate tenor of superior social status can be explained by the Dunning–Kruger effect:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div><span></span></div></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><div><span>The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realise it. </span><b>The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than in actuality</b>; by contrast, the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to a perverse result where <b>less competent people will rate their own ability higher than more competent people</b>.</div></div></blockquote><p style="text-align: center;">∞</p><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing">Tone policing</a> – focusing on emotion behind (or resulting from) a message rather than the message itself as a discrediting tactic.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-81462746985081971002024-02-20T00:00:00.012+11:002024-03-07T12:53:06.411+11:00David Rose Positively Judging The ASFLA Community via Brad Smith<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjAeD-E5H30QHqgoAY12XCDJc8HFuf3fdWiPCSQzQQdNZ3lnmIBVG1TiSfGRbGRZSG2AjPkrfFIhIDiz1XdvVXv7pfWXucyvwtp4F_edd-1fDDzb4tqLKz3E7PxpO1ijfMfmrSG28pkJZjqxA8ao26wYgquj8vjYtPmQXrI4o0t7Bt1EOmETs1W4dk-WII/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="137" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjAeD-E5H30QHqgoAY12XCDJc8HFuf3fdWiPCSQzQQdNZ3lnmIBVG1TiSfGRbGRZSG2AjPkrfFIhIDiz1XdvVXv7pfWXucyvwtp4F_edd-1fDDzb4tqLKz3E7PxpO1ijfMfmrSG28pkJZjqxA8ao26wYgquj8vjYtPmQXrI4o0t7Bt1EOmETs1W4dk-WII/w103-h137/drose_small.jpg" width="103" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/For-those-interested-in-learning-and-teaching-SFL-intonation,10" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to asflanet on 15 Feb 2024, at 12:42</a>:</div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Brad, your <span style="color: #2b00fe;">generosity</span>, <span style="color: #38761d;">skill</span> and <span style="color: #3d85c6;">humility</span> are the soul of this community.</div></blockquote><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">thanks</span></div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><table cellpadding="0" class="ajC" style="background-color: white; 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text-align: justify;">Rose used to openly boast, with glee, that he could turn people into 'pussycats' by flattering them.</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-55059831953214645892024-02-10T12:00:00.019+11:002024-03-14T10:32:10.156+11:00Shooshi Dreyfus Falsely Accusing ChRIS CLÉiRIGh Of Impropriety<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsJtEgGUmbc72_33ebugauUA4ArbZJ5VJ0-Aqn2HGrNSfBH2clMyZc04M25_WhzZndrP_C-quH2hTJtnoBYGjhI6J2jOVb_41TM9HiMnK9ig8zue0msDcguNFtYEfbeXGuHhT32zipFi5tLpPiGHPc82MeQ5XbwoiH7WMQyCuY3Ip8WCFQKNkEsoRvKH3T/s78/shooshi.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="78" data-original-width="70" height="78" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsJtEgGUmbc72_33ebugauUA4ArbZJ5VJ0-Aqn2HGrNSfBH2clMyZc04M25_WhzZndrP_C-quH2hTJtnoBYGjhI6J2jOVb_41TM9HiMnK9ig8zue0msDcguNFtYEfbeXGuHhT32zipFi5tLpPiGHPc82MeQ5XbwoiH7WMQyCuY3Ip8WCFQKNkEsoRvKH3T/s1600/shooshi.jpg" width="70" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/grammar-analysis-only,38" target="_blank">Shoshana Dreyfus wrote to asflanet on 9 Feb 2024, at 10:33</a>:<p></p><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Dear Kieran and <span style="color: red;">Chris</span>,</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div> <div style="text-align: justify;">One of the reasons a wide range of people in the SFL community don’t post to this discussion list is because of <span style="color: red;">the public chastising</span> that seems to happen sometimes when one does post.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Perhaps if that could be toned down, or left out entirely, then people might feel more encouraged to join the conversation.</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyDhypl3GgQAcZrlsKmEp7rvLVo1TpNImxT0G55sEBX9mnrCosiKSfNLzBJ60kxbGxwZ0Zar0Xu3-J7mW3GA8DcHebRmBrZtmahIGUK1qW4LRUMTn26bgpEW-0rtbwSb10o39WGN45Ov4vgWn9wl7JUUMwhPzeru4rK_bgTn3FpW8W9ET5GRX3xf7_-peu/s374/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="69" data-original-width="374" height="74" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyDhypl3GgQAcZrlsKmEp7rvLVo1TpNImxT0G55sEBX9mnrCosiKSfNLzBJ60kxbGxwZ0Zar0Xu3-J7mW3GA8DcHebRmBrZtmahIGUK1qW4LRUMTn26bgpEW-0rtbwSb10o39WGN45Ov4vgWn9wl7JUUMwhPzeru4rK_bgTn3FpW8W9ET5GRX3xf7_-peu/w400-h74/1.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: justify;">To be clear, this is pure invention on Dreyfus' part. Firstly, the number of people willing to publicly discuss matters of theory or analysis on email discussion lists is typically about 1% of the total number of subscribers, and these usually being the same very small set of people, and this does not vary with <span style="font-size: x-small;">CLÉiRIGh</span>'s extremely rare participation on lists other than Sys-func.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Secondly, of the two posts sent, the first expressed admiration for an insightful post that everyone else was ignoring, and the second provided assistance to the list members by quoting Halliday on the adverbial group. They are repeated below.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">(1)</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Colm,</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">I can see where you're coming from, because, in terms of meaning, the vast cloud of gas and dust did turn into the Earth, under the influence of gravity, 4,600 million years ago, and so the relation is one of identity, from that perspective. It's just that here it is worded as a material clause (e.g. unmarked present tense) with a circumstance of Manner: means.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">But my main reason for commenting is just to say how great it is to see someone reasoning grammatically.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">More power to you.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Sláinte,</div><div style="text-align: justify;">ChRIS</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">(2)</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Dear Scholars,</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">The following might be helpful to anyone who has difficulty in distinguishing nominal groups from adverbial groups.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Halliday & Matthiessen (2014: 419-22):</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">The adverbial group has an adverb as Head, which may or may not be accompanied by modifying elements. … Premodifiers are grammatical items like <i>not</i> and <i>rather</i> and <i>so</i>; there is no lexical premodification in the adverbial group. … The items serving as Premodifiers are adverbs belonging to one of three types – polarity (<i>not</i>), comparison (<i>more, less; as, so</i>) and intensification. … Postmodification is of one type only, namely comparison.</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><img height="258" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=22af9c7828&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r4314470965513573875&th=18d80be6f14efc79&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9NP6KR6cnFXbmeBwkN_WYgBieya0IVP7exb8uicNu1WPsQj4V8AiRL0kgNMuIVFnfNMWae617S9fy7RRdM-5K1jEDWeVg9w31eTmdWVH4b4Ludycd0eKothPo&disp=emb&realattid=ii_lsazkl5y0" width="320" /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">ChEeRS,</div><div style="text-align: justify;">ChRIS</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;">∞</div><div><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing">Tone policing</a> – focusing on emotion behind (or resulting from) a message rather than the message itself as a discrediting tactic.</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-60369751190240083662023-12-02T14:30:00.008+11:002024-01-10T08:17:45.564+11:00Ed McDonald Positively Appraising The Winners Of The Inaugural MAK Halliday Prize<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhPa3SsQaE022yzbyvgA07jngJYjL0muLGDTvKhpuK6U1unzxRcUYZKs3d55W9ihBrjUZ3-LQAnwgob5H8hKax0qecL0ikaTR72Zs7ZKh0cd23W5VE-f1WfUE_W0qfVmMuLm3ujemoRVxBmMrwkfmGQ2tgpQo1pk2bicSc2hXxpi_S-_rQwHBI279OG63gT/s159/Ed.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="159" data-original-width="132" height="159" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhPa3SsQaE022yzbyvgA07jngJYjL0muLGDTvKhpuK6U1unzxRcUYZKs3d55W9ihBrjUZ3-LQAnwgob5H8hKax0qecL0ikaTR72Zs7ZKh0cd23W5VE-f1WfUE_W0qfVmMuLm3ujemoRVxBmMrwkfmGQ2tgpQo1pk2bicSc2hXxpi_S-_rQwHBI279OG63gT/s1600/Ed.jpg" width="132" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/MAK-Halliday-Prize-Announcement,2" target="_blank">Edward McDonald wrote to asflanet on 25 Nov 2023, at 08:40</a>:</div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">Can I add my congratulations to the authors of the winning book on paralanguage.</span> Although I have not yet got round to reading the book itself — too much interesting stuff coming out at the moment! — I did attend the launch last year at the ACU in North Sydney, where it shared the stage with the book on science teaching co-authored by Len Unsworth and his team. As I remember remarking to my landlady afterwards, the launch itself was one of the first such events I had attended post-lockdown, and it was no fluffy PR exercise but a serious academic session, with (from memory) all of the authors of both books either present or attending via Zoom and <span style="color: #ff00fe;">talking about their experience in doing the research and writing it up</span>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Speaking personally, <span style="color: red;">I am delighted to see such products of multidisciplinary team projects getting published</span><span style="color: #6aa84f;">.</span> Given the enormous range of relevant knowledge, it is not feasible anymore for one or two authors from the same discipline to cover it all, and it was very clear from the launch of both books how much the participants had benefited from the cross-fertilisation and collegiality that such collaborations encourage.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">My congratulations again to the co-authors of the winning book</span> — as well as to the runners up, all of whose books look like must reads — <span style="color: #3d85c6;">and to the organising committee</span> for carrying through such <span style="color: #2b00fe;">a worthy</span><span style="color: #6aa84f;"> — </span><span style="color: #ffa400;">and frankly very cheering!</span><span style="color: #6aa84f;"> — </span><span style="color: #2b00fe;">project</span><span style="color: #6aa84f;">.</span></div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><img border="0" height="157" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglP_NpI9VQIa21cNDXp7bnCZ9-zrTEW-XzsRa-XaBnGXYBbcdbZlEE2euhyphenhyphen4sOpK01_9GKEZYCS_UyWsbDPD3jYi2EZ3-SKntWs6mZsid-je0gyzrTLU8UCQQV9wO59yjuxuxfTkWfMQnzV2H2NzZwqH3jq3CcOamxxH96Qsxv8rmOlJA6YkiUBnHh0WRk/w528-h157/1.png" width="528" /></div><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">[1]</span> To be clear, the authors' model of "paralanguage" is Cléirigh's model of body language, rebranded as their own work. See <a href="https://thethoughtoccurs.blogspot.com/2023/11/inaugural-mak-halliday-prize-awarded-to.html" style="text-align: left;">The Inaugural MAK Halliday Prize Awarded To Cléirigh's Plagiarisers</a>.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">[2]</span> To be clear, what the authors talked about was the meetings they had in order to try and understand <a href="https://sflparalanguage.blogspot.com/p/cleirighs-model-of.html" target="_blank">Cléirigh's very simple model</a>.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">[3]</span> To be clear, the model was created by one person, Cléirigh, using just one theory in one discipline, SFL.</p><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-56427225352502352662023-11-06T00:00:00.011+11:002023-11-17T08:01:39.414+11:00Vinh To Positively Appreciating David Rose<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixc89q3QeV8SbQu4RImVJsyqPfONy2RmPQ58VB741NDPNDJE8f6EhPBvne1f6NZFGE8llsgZEnYvwunSBDH63i6_W9XQebyJOjrTkhTpYhnC0J65x0HoixzG8G5EB2ffysK2ffVSEG-QAOEK7LjugaT4qnXEib_pq4Ij5SqC5kZ0QBoV9PxjWzV2i9IfNH/s1178/sflig.png"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixc89q3QeV8SbQu4RImVJsyqPfONy2RmPQ58VB741NDPNDJE8f6EhPBvne1f6NZFGE8llsgZEnYvwunSBDH63i6_W9XQebyJOjrTkhTpYhnC0J65x0HoixzG8G5EB2ffysK2ffVSEG-QAOEK7LjugaT4qnXEib_pq4Ij5SqC5kZ0QBoV9PxjWzV2i9IfNH/s16000/sflig.png" /></a><br /> <div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrYJmr2gqFqDnaeTxvjKOU4svRplHuHqrGQTKkcv9Mkg7YYitMllNhBER0BFqkf6d42XSDZ1yR2aPiQFtiSFGjThrpmlLl_387-eaDkZ96D6Ik1s04DTHVUIdwPj9WBIt8dgvr_ARFCnFtgWhVkVm8sbCfAoqidGQcvPCHBNyFrZh43VYQZwMvhkvvjk8R/s435/a.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="69" data-original-width="435" height="81" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrYJmr2gqFqDnaeTxvjKOU4svRplHuHqrGQTKkcv9Mkg7YYitMllNhBER0BFqkf6d42XSDZ1yR2aPiQFtiSFGjThrpmlLl_387-eaDkZ96D6Ik1s04DTHVUIdwPj9WBIt8dgvr_ARFCnFtgWhVkVm8sbCfAoqidGQcvPCHBNyFrZh43VYQZwMvhkvvjk8R/w510-h81/a.png" width="510" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>See also:</div><div><div style="font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0.75em 0px 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://thethoughtoccurs.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-close-examination-of-roses-2023-sflig.html">A Close Examination Of Rose's 2023 SFLIG Plenary Abstract</a></div></div><div><br /></div><div>Cf.</div><div><br /></div><div><div><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/search/label/Rose" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: inherit;">David Rose Failing To Understand SFL Theory</span></a></div><div><div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2022/06/david-rose-negatively-judging-hasan.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: inherit;">David Rose Publicly Vilifyng A Deceased Colleague</span></a></div></div><div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div style="background-color: white; color: #222222;"><div style="color: black; text-align: left;"><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2012/01/david-rose-negatively-judging-chris.html"><span style="font-family: inherit;">David Rose Publicly Vilifying His Friend Whose Mother Had Just Died Tragically</span></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-78474796086128098832023-09-02T00:00:00.022+10:002024-01-12T07:47:03.606+11:00Jim Martin Positively Assessing His Misunderstandings Of Axis<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0ynEoCUFo61ICm3g_CRT7mGB2k3M7gL3TIF4lNxkd-3idU-SIiRjQGTP3xxUoxEMgNC_h_lKeuF6Ots3aAdgPJNVjz10XFVaodFA8ADoL_mLcaOzvhSdRQ5fqSUxffQImghuJHWbMdSbbuJjdrr6GKAmJj8j5RXj6-ts7B4RObmnhHhw6En6pgchhi3U2/s111/oldman.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="111" data-original-width="103" height="111" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0ynEoCUFo61ICm3g_CRT7mGB2k3M7gL3TIF4lNxkd-3idU-SIiRjQGTP3xxUoxEMgNC_h_lKeuF6Ots3aAdgPJNVjz10XFVaodFA8ADoL_mLcaOzvhSdRQ5fqSUxffQImghuJHWbMdSbbuJjdrr6GKAmJj8j5RXj6-ts7B4RObmnhHhw6En6pgchhi3U2/s1600/oldman.jpg" width="103" /></a></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=SYSFLING;d961d827.2308" target="_blank">Jim Martin replied to Ed McDonald on Sysfling on 25 Aug 2023, at 12:10</a>:</div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">Axialist and proud!</span></div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div> <div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div> <div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixYk0u5m_969ekjjbmHc9SjpXerAZCYV_lPFTEtZeWKutGCVDwuwjHGQCdsrz47DCsifk6R5cUwlXhzr-0ZT_zicFNaxYMG1Mbzw2CC4ozzM2F04d6jyWFIYNbEi0buxXlZm4lZbxU5HTMWh_dQf68na0-BM8NsFS2stjYbgnjSuqcK8-txqyTmdyKVBNL/s442/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="69" data-original-width="442" height="72" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixYk0u5m_969ekjjbmHc9SjpXerAZCYV_lPFTEtZeWKutGCVDwuwjHGQCdsrz47DCsifk6R5cUwlXhzr-0ZT_zicFNaxYMG1Mbzw2CC4ozzM2F04d6jyWFIYNbEi0buxXlZm4lZbxU5HTMWh_dQf68na0-BM8NsFS2stjYbgnjSuqcK8-txqyTmdyKVBNL/w460-h72/1.png" width="460" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: justify;">For Martin's misunderstanding of axis, as reported by his most faithful follower, see for example:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div><ul style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; line-height: 1.4; margin: 0.5em 0px; padding: 0px 2.5em;"><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/07/david-rose-on-axis-as-key.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Misrepresenting Axis As Key To Semantics-Grammar Relations</a></li><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/07/david-rose-misrepresenting-development.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Misrepresenting Halliday's Development Of SFL Theory</a></li><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/08/david-rose-misrepresenting-axis.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Misrepresenting Axis</a></li><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/08/david-rose-misrepresenting-halliday-on.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Misrepresenting Halliday On Axis</a></li><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/08/david-rose-misunderstanding-hallidays.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Misunderstanding Halliday's "Axial Breakthrough"</a></li><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/08/david-rose-endorsing-martin.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Endorsing Martin's Misunderstanding Of Stratal Relations As Axial</a></li><li><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/08/david-rose-endorsing-martins_13.html" style="background-color: white; color: #dda1cb; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">David Rose Endorsing Martin's Misunderstandings Of Protolanguage</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/08/david-rose-on-axis-and-strata.html" style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px;" target="_blank">David Rose Misrepresenting The Basis Of Systems</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2023/08/david-rose-confusing-axis-with-system.html" style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px;" target="_blank">David Rose Confusing Axis With System</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2023/08/david-rose-misunderstanding-axis-and.html" style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px;" target="_blank">David Rose Misunderstanding Axis And Realisation (Inter Alia)</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2023/08/david-rose-misunderstanding-axial.html" style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px;" target="_blank">David Rose Misunderstanding Axial Relations And Connotative Semiotics</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2023/08/david-rose-misunderstanding-axial_01813009374.html" style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px;" target="_blank">David Rose Misunderstanding Axial Relations</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2023/09/david-rose-misunderstanding.html" style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px;" target="_blank">David Rose Misunderstanding Metafunctionality And Axis (Inter Alia)</a></li></ul><div><span face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif" style="color: #222222;"><span style="font-size: 13.2px;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif" style="color: #222222;"><span>For Martin's proud misunderstandings of axis, see the new review of Martin (2013):</span></span></div></div><div><ul><li><span face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif" style="color: #222222;"><span><a href="https://axial-relations.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Systemic Functional Grammar: A Next Step Into The Theory — Axial Relations</a></span></span></li></ul></div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-90364266641838555562023-08-21T08:00:00.000+10:002023-08-21T08:00:00.136+10:00Robin Fawcett Negatively Judging Hostility<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEin6dzoS0hnc5VS7wf9XoxdUkOOcxai0cHm68PAYQ7Rk9A6pFUk-91qCmEGzEvV8tS8a1OdtUBXC0Z3ZJRqnmRfdcZRHrUDMUZ2kSTKO0nuQcjsCIDsGMlxsFZBYm6wcGcpeG9oWVoIj27WUVORmVLrvHVKJ9oClZwlzkZO9ZWdR_seo92ok06rZ9LoqZ77/s125/fawcett2015.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"><img border="0" data-original-height="125" data-original-width="100" height="125" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEin6dzoS0hnc5VS7wf9XoxdUkOOcxai0cHm68PAYQ7Rk9A6pFUk-91qCmEGzEvV8tS8a1OdtUBXC0Z3ZJRqnmRfdcZRHrUDMUZ2kSTKO0nuQcjsCIDsGMlxsFZBYm6wcGcpeG9oWVoIj27WUVORmVLrvHVKJ9oClZwlzkZO9ZWdR_seo92ok06rZ9LoqZ77/s1600/fawcett2015.jpg" width="100" /></a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=SYSFLING;438ee495.2308" target="_blank">Under the pseudonym Dmytro Poremskyi, Robin Fawcett wrote to John Bateman on Sysfling on 18 August at 3:14am</a>:</div><p></p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">One certainly cannot but agree with Lise in that <span style="color: red;">this environment should not be hostile</span>. I believe that <span style="color: #ff00fe;">the whole X-Bar thread (opening with your question marks)</span> should have been taken off list right from the start (at the very least).</div></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjcCCBjiIPMbfUXcq5xZ7bKqMgZusSUw5XhN9YpQSRlU13d9eBmGcObpahK6yCUkfysOBx5qZO53DvjqgvQMEUZCQL0Z41FXgnzYDo1NVGXkuS3IlGVhobXhJIqLO1uAQP-HTRS-iKDoc2UdIepFF4YiIBRYm2QJRFnYhL5fvfZisBhuMev8yLq9rr6V-mw/s343/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="86" data-original-width="343" height="100" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjcCCBjiIPMbfUXcq5xZ7bKqMgZusSUw5XhN9YpQSRlU13d9eBmGcObpahK6yCUkfysOBx5qZO53DvjqgvQMEUZCQL0Z41FXgnzYDo1NVGXkuS3IlGVhobXhJIqLO1uAQP-HTRS-iKDoc2UdIepFF4YiIBRYm2QJRFnYhL5fvfZisBhuMev8yLq9rr6V-mw/w400-h100/1.png" width="400" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">Here Fawcett is attempting to shift blame from himself to Bateman. For Fawcett's hostility 'in this environment', see his multiple <span style="text-align: left;" title="Latin-language text"></span><i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" target="_blank">ad hominem</a> </i>attacks on Bateman at:</p><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><p style="font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0.75em 0px 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2023/08/robin-fawcett-negatively-judging-john.html">Robin Fawcett Negatively Judging John Bateman</a></p></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Although Fawcett can conceal his name, he lacks the self-knowledge to conceal his characteristic brazen hypocrisy. See:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2008/07/robin-fawcett-on-3rd-edition-of-ifg.html" target="_blank">Robin Fawcett Negatively Appreciating Halliday And Matthiessen (2004)</a></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><p style="font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0.75em 0px 0px; position: relative; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2011/06/robin-fawcett-on-halliday-and.html">Robin Fawcett Negatively Judging And Negatively Appreciating Halliday And Matthiessen (1999)</a></p></blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-10877792096771886392023-08-20T10:00:00.004+10:002023-08-22T12:16:52.837+10:00Lise Fontaine Negatively Judging Bateman & Robin<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQtf4krtviR4biWCnvW_RUX8LhzBO92a1mdxMz0_ukbZDPcSk9MfvElu76qB0a9UO1Ui7fsItYioFzIXYP7v9CUrLpEi1tv4QyZUkfJrPsjywmpOKVlOSECjI6m5PTm0hbZ6cKpF2EPRmmHOaZe0r0V4ZN0dBt-P44Gj01YeA-Bd1DSbBwXsJMisWReRk7/s433/2.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="433" data-original-width="371" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQtf4krtviR4biWCnvW_RUX8LhzBO92a1mdxMz0_ukbZDPcSk9MfvElu76qB0a9UO1Ui7fsItYioFzIXYP7v9CUrLpEi1tv4QyZUkfJrPsjywmpOKVlOSECjI6m5PTm0hbZ6cKpF2EPRmmHOaZe0r0V4ZN0dBt-P44Gj01YeA-Bd1DSbBwXsJMisWReRk7/w171-h200/2.jpg" width="171" /></a></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=SYSFLING;f992ef63.2308" target="_blank">Lise Fontaine wrote to Sysfling on 18 August 2023 at 2:30am</a>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">I would like to kindly remind you all that this list has hundreds of people on it and <span style="color: red;">exchanges like this</span> are the main reason why people don't like to post questions to the list. <span style="color: #ff00fe;">These exchanges are not furthering our understanding</span> and if you want to continue <span style="color: #800180;">your 'display' tactics</span>, maybe do it on your own time. <span style="color: #e69138;">This line of 'argumentation' (whatever) is not helpful to this community.</span> It's easy to just delete messages but the silent majority will simply not feel that they can take part in the community. What is this list for??</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">I think there was some discussion at an AGM not too long ago about principles of communication within our community. Can we stop and think whether <span style="color: #3d85c6;">our messages are inclusive, kind, clear, etc</span>?</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">I know I'm not the moderator any longer but <span style="color: #38761d;">this is really tiring</span>.</div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>: </p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkY95JCceYIP_jCS52ruQSlQbj4Bu4BQZPccfWFB2-zAgFmi62u7Mt8dsZZQXlnwewPZTkTeQKpMbtcv5QHnDOCfH0ZKG19N5Q648bXrv1kw2Z0u5YjD6_0Zin9qLXK8keWJLvgCfg_pld-FSiwSQW-aO7mxI3jjNv4ZhM-rdOF8Tc1POFpfcV7PfpiXcy/s479/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="170" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkY95JCceYIP_jCS52ruQSlQbj4Bu4BQZPccfWFB2-zAgFmi62u7Mt8dsZZQXlnwewPZTkTeQKpMbtcv5QHnDOCfH0ZKG19N5Q648bXrv1kw2Z0u5YjD6_0Zin9qLXK8keWJLvgCfg_pld-FSiwSQW-aO7mxI3jjNv4ZhM-rdOF8Tc1POFpfcV7PfpiXcy/w503-h170/1.png" width="503" /></a></div><br /><p></p><p>With regard to Fontaine's one positive judgement, and her own behaviour in this respect, see</p><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0 0 0 40px; padding: 0px;"><p style="font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0.75em 0px 0px; position: relative; text-align: left;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2022/09/lise-fontaine-negatively-judging.html">Lise Fontaine Personally Attacking Her Paper's Reviewer</a></p></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-38991119448814081792023-08-19T09:00:00.009+10:002023-08-21T16:50:44.711+10:00Robin Fawcett Negatively Judging John Bateman<div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2308&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=753FC163D4ADA799D8&Y=&P=20456" target="_blank"></a><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2308&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=753FC163D4ADA799D8&Y=&P=20456" target="_blank"></a><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiut5oEgG--Scc0T5cS4tF6SO9EJ8UxYAK3eUCFV6avpGRFaMSU12pN2oRDgzpAqYYKdEKC8qgO02ji__kb24y23Yhza2LBIBZzNZLLN0zg70XoL6gTS9DuyMc-FkI4P-WOF7789bEZdo6Q30IfdpXLXf-7hp24WCuyHzP5FyyT-Cj0vxKlmITb84A9BemI/s125/fawcett2015.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="125" data-original-width="100" height="125" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiut5oEgG--Scc0T5cS4tF6SO9EJ8UxYAK3eUCFV6avpGRFaMSU12pN2oRDgzpAqYYKdEKC8qgO02ji__kb24y23Yhza2LBIBZzNZLLN0zg70XoL6gTS9DuyMc-FkI4P-WOF7789bEZdo6Q30IfdpXLXf-7hp24WCuyHzP5FyyT-Cj0vxKlmITb84A9BemI/s1600/fawcett2015.jpg" width="100" /></a></div></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2308&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=1C6BB07362949E9F16&Y=&P=20456" target="_blank">Under the pseudonym Dmytro Poremskyi, Robin Fawcett replied to John Bateman on Sysfling on 18 August 2023 at 2:24am</a>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">I guess keeping your temper in line is mission impossible for you</span>, which probably explains why you resort to your powerful discursive strategies (LOL!), but<span style="color: #ff00fe;"> I will try to reason with you nonetheless</span> …</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #e69138;">That's typical of people with anger management issues</span> – <span style="color: #3d85c6;">they are usually 'not sure' about what they do wrong, even after being told by colleagues that their tone of voice is inappropriate.</span> By the by, that quote above is a textbook example of passive aggressiveness, <span style="color: #45818e;">but I guess you're equally 'not sure' of that</span>. <span style="color: #a64d79;">Perhaps there are anger management people in Bremen who can help</span>. …</div></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifgOOhYuUctmyqt9VlHBFzOZOQmsCggtpeJ5RBnGZh_lz991rHmJIiWw3KHaD1_KlKJeS6kKZl9qkEXqBa1SnCSdz2itIlSXKPoYpLWqljXvhR2rqryhZxrE32db-x2ji1hs3e1DaUZV1nD4qvhc1TDERTvgWOAZk9mekHPfjmzVdXxbYLV9T0ColGbP9D/s298/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="162" data-original-width="298" height="162" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifgOOhYuUctmyqt9VlHBFzOZOQmsCggtpeJ5RBnGZh_lz991rHmJIiWw3KHaD1_KlKJeS6kKZl9qkEXqBa1SnCSdz2itIlSXKPoYpLWqljXvhR2rqryhZxrE32db-x2ji1hs3e1DaUZV1nD4qvhc1TDERTvgWOAZk9mekHPfjmzVdXxbYLV9T0ColGbP9D/s1600/1.png" width="298" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">Although Fawcett can conceal his name, he cannot conceal the tenor of his emails when challenged. Bateman, on the other hand, was unaware that his interlocutor was Fawcett, and had treated him like any other underling who challenged his self-assigned status as primary knower.</p><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-13040258793335530802023-05-12T00:00:00.002+10:002023-05-13T07:18:15.812+10:00David Rose Positively Judging Kindness<p><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjUAfhNqy9PEXoyHn845vxIys5dWjjdbArrhrVLwQm4OWVELJAGDm6SONZfSHUpvBApxZeo5m_BnbJAuCwFboOUTcaJcIvxe7kLRgF4HClLyIIEDlA4jtUa6HSRcUXprVpyCzjIVXnhBG3CyjRETacZSrQH2ZyMC5eyKPWyAR9VAyv2TpyskOYbFvdHhA/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; display: inline; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjUAfhNqy9PEXoyHn845vxIys5dWjjdbArrhrVLwQm4OWVELJAGDm6SONZfSHUpvBApxZeo5m_BnbJAuCwFboOUTcaJcIvxe7kLRgF4HClLyIIEDlA4jtUa6HSRcUXprVpyCzjIVXnhBG3CyjRETacZSrQH2ZyMC5eyKPWyAR9VAyv2TpyskOYbFvdHhA/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a> <a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/asflanet/Pedagogic-discussions,2" style="text-align: justify;" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to Asflanet on 4 May 2023, at 12:42</a><span style="text-align: justify;">:</span></p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Just be kind to people and most people will be kind to you</span></div></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u><br /></u></b></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u><br /></u></b></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u><br /></u></b></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u><br /></u></b></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u><br /></u></b></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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text-decoration-line: none;"><span style="font-size: medium;">David Rose Publicly Vilifying A Colleague Whose Mother Had Just Died Tragically</span></a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2022/06/david-rose-negatively-judging-hasan.html" style="color: #2288bb; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: medium;">David Rose Publicly Vilifyng A Deceased Colleague</span></a></div></div></div></div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-82854699989699822682023-04-24T00:00:00.003+10:002024-01-10T08:20:17.843+11:00Christian Matthiessen Positively Appreciating Lise Fontaine's Move Back To Canada<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMh1bQjq1sUywsscsqQLpkpo8jLXTjs8twM9iNHnaLa4sVD-Izuvup7AT_gsBubbbZu1xGvE74dD5vTcxUowcfO5AEK_sXUyK-YE5YA2A0g7bOKlhCQyx3_0nA6AbHzCsVSqNJcfMKxRY1cn41lgkcbTTSPc0lGulR-lYmOCg8aNgVCLOs_fq95vLGVQ/s1397/cmim.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1397" data-original-width="1038" height="130" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMh1bQjq1sUywsscsqQLpkpo8jLXTjs8twM9iNHnaLa4sVD-Izuvup7AT_gsBubbbZu1xGvE74dD5vTcxUowcfO5AEK_sXUyK-YE5YA2A0g7bOKlhCQyx3_0nA6AbHzCsVSqNJcfMKxRY1cn41lgkcbTTSPc0lGulR-lYmOCg8aNgVCLOs_fq95vLGVQ/w97-h130/cmim.jpg" width="97" /></a></div></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2303&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=AC76BE42C2D60EF250&Y=&P=91460" target="_blank">Christian Matthiessen wrote to Lise Fontaine on Sysfling on 31 Mar 2023, at 06:57</a>: <blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Well, your news is mixed — <span style="color: red;">sad</span> for Cardiff U and all of us in the European community; but the <span style="color: #93c47d;">good</span> news overwhelms this sense of loss! So warm congratulations,</div><span style="text-align: justify;">And also applause to Université de Québec à Trois-Rivières for having made such a <span style="color: #38761d;">brilliant</span> choice! </span></blockquote><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">This is certainly a very <span style="color: #38761d;">exciting</span> development — for you, but also for the whole SFL community: new possibilities will open up / be opened up by you! You’ll create a new community around you — without losing the <span style="color: #93c47d;">vibrant</span> community that you have been part of in Europe. As you say "surely Québec is European right?” — You’ll certainly help build a new trans-Atlantic bridge, create new collaborative opportunities.</div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><img border="0" height="142" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhirHWmQsGmHe5L9NJL_CPiA1AliCxGdGb9JYNWUvxbzUiwQCYFGHsLr-goQ555BVh9YtbA8TrTiXl4DYAUYNMluJFmWG0VPOy26dvnVlhX6YAE6mzTF5u91lO_14aATFfmZJNbwBd7P0KNPHP3FWIOu6ykIixCb6imiAtiuvsCSq8Qf2G8QUr1PrCPbQ/w640-h142/1.png" width="640" /></div><p></p><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-61806337354842674322023-03-18T12:00:00.004+11:002023-03-22T07:57:03.218+11:00David Rose Positively Judging The Acknowledgement Of Sources In Martin (1992)<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidk9bJNvPTXu10_C1Q1EI2QyoKu9LwYkg9271N7IiZcfmtvlQubl_PlbCX8PIrgi8-rC4gEhcZmHyR-6dv0R6A3RqUrhLEAxm4c8cZImXYbPtL_ax4bxq-oIkz2cxc0xp1dh5jLwy0M0NJ7QO5sZelPJbLSZxFjJtUDzc9eUodyOdW4y0rTmd1lrNC4w/s160/drose_small.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidk9bJNvPTXu10_C1Q1EI2QyoKu9LwYkg9271N7IiZcfmtvlQubl_PlbCX8PIrgi8-rC4gEhcZmHyR-6dv0R6A3RqUrhLEAxm4c8cZImXYbPtL_ax4bxq-oIkz2cxc0xp1dh5jLwy0M0NJ7QO5sZelPJbLSZxFjJtUDzc9eUodyOdW4y0rTmd1lrNC4w/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=SYSFLING;a5f985ac.2303" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to SYSFLING on 18 Mar 2023, 10:07</a>:</div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">… So much of this has been worked out or flagged for further work in <span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>English Text</i>, which continually acknowledges the work of others who went before it</span>. …</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><img border="0" height="82" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJeJ1T5BQvymXxtg0RdaVTKVcueSmmd1geAHq9Yhw_UdAAItarmFvF4e8DLbY8TJEoznGg0BmChkHN3OdoIprVi90z1LwOLQHUbiGJSSeavDLjUXn26sv28CrpPFv5be-_cuLO4OS-C0rMS7IaeX9G1cY1HBg215O9tQnLu5Z7zOlTvSeLgbGNsEwCRw/w558-h82/1.png" width="558" /></div><br /><div style="text-align: justify;">For some of the evidence that flatly contradicts Rose's claim, see:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2015/04/falsely-claiming-that-content-plane-is.html" target="_blank">Falsely Claiming That The Content Plane Was Not Stratified Before Martin (1992)</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2015/05/presenting-halliday-hasans-ideas-as-if.html" target="_blank">Presenting Halliday & Hasan's Ideas As Martin's Ideas [1]</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2015/05/presenting-halliday-hasans-ideas-as.html" target="_blank">Presenting Halliday & Hasan's Ideas As Martin's Ideas [2]</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2015/05/presenting-halliday-hasans-ideas-as_3.html" target="_blank">Presenting Halliday & Hasan's Ideas As Martin's Ideas [3]</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/04/under-acknowledging-significant.html" target="_blank">Under-Acknowledging A Significant Intellectual Source</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/05/not-acknowledging-hasans-work-as-source.html" target="_blank">Not Acknowledging Hasan As Intellectual Source</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/05/under-acknowledging-hasan-as.html" target="_blank">Under-Acknowledging Hasan As Theoretical Source</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/07/not-acknowledging-barthes-as.html" target="_blank">Not Acknowledging Barthes As Intellectual Source</a></div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><div style="text-align: justify;">For evidence that much of the "acknowledgement" of sources, is actually the motivated misrepresentation of sources, see the following posts at <i><a href="https://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">English Text: System And Structure</a></i>:</div><blockquote>Misrepresenting Hasan's Work On Speech Function<br />Misrepresenting Halliday & Hasan On Reference<br />Misrepresenting Hasan And Confusing Strata And Metafunctions<br />Misrepresenting Halliday & Hasan<br />Misrepresenting Halliday On The Stratification Of Content<br />Misrepresenting Hasan's Work On Cohesion<br />Misrepresenting Hasan's Cohesive Harmony<br />Presenting Misunderstandings Of Hasan's Cohesive Harmony As Deficiencies In The Model<br />Misrepresenting Hasan's Work On Coherence As Formalist<br />Misrepresenting Cohesive Harmony<br />Misrepresenting Firth On Context<br />Misrepresenting Halliday On Formal And Contextual Meaning<br />Misrepresenting Previous Work On Text Structure And Context<br />Misrepresenting Hasan On Text Structure<br />Misrepresenting Barthes<br />Misrepresenting Barthes And Confusing Material & Semiotic Orders Of Experience<br />Misinterpreting Pike<br />Misinterpreting Hasan And Proposing Theoretical Inconsistencies<br />Misrepresenting Hasan On Generic Structure Potential<br />Misrepresenting Halliday<br />Misrepresenting Longacre<br />Misrepresenting Halliday On Context, Register And Genre<br />Strategically Misrepresenting Hasan<br />Misrepresenting Hasan<br />Misunderstanding Semantic Variation And Bakhtin<br />Misconstruing Bernstein's Coding Orientation As Ideology</blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-68232288653182186192022-09-03T00:00:00.021+10:002023-02-03T05:34:08.095+11:00Lise Fontaine Personally Attacking Her Paper's Reviewer<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNxcRppNPYPOX0mg64uFYp51my8BrKjyvLK4xE901Zu9iJLwTPC4gjIeyGI7YrYTiC1CO_E1-U5QaKfoKCimmJFV8NUyWApHl9Xi4OLwm_La38JqlBMUnQ5J91OMhOEq2rF8JYDiw3WYEc3g5aNV6GlVQ1WXDnH4fJxcS9iFYS_4qDotuJfNQuFKSkSw/s458/4.jpg" style="clear: left; display: inline; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="458" data-original-width="396" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNxcRppNPYPOX0mg64uFYp51my8BrKjyvLK4xE901Zu9iJLwTPC4gjIeyGI7YrYTiC1CO_E1-U5QaKfoKCimmJFV8NUyWApHl9Xi4OLwm_La38JqlBMUnQ5J91OMhOEq2rF8JYDiw3WYEc3g5aNV6GlVQ1WXDnH4fJxcS9iFYS_4qDotuJfNQuFKSkSw/w173-h200/4.jpg" width="173" /></a><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2208&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=76856396503964F941&Y=&P=31143" target="_blank">Lise Fontaine wrote to Sysfling on 23 august at 01:11</a>:</p><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Dear fellow Sysfling members</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Perhaps I should be flattered that <span style="color: #990000;">'The Blogger' has set up an entire blog for the sole purpose of discrediting me and the ideas I put forward in a paper from 2017.</span> <span style="color: #b45f06;">However, I don't appreciate it at all. I certainly have no objection to people disagreeing with those ideas, or to showing where I was wrong, misinformed or otherwise rubbish.</span> <span style="color: red;">However, this personal attack not only makes me feel very bad,</span> <span style="color: #bf9000;">I feel it is very bad for our community for a single person (presumably?) to anonymously attack someone without any recourse for dialogue.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">I am pretty sure I know who has done this. This sort of thing has happened before. <span style="color: #ff00fe;">I can't imagine what I've done to deserve these repeated misrepresentations and personal attacks</span> but I hope this person realises that <span style="color: #674ea7;">this kind of thing has career destroying potential especially at a time when evaluations of work can be done by searching online. Luckily I'm at the end of my career so I don't care too much but if anyone who is an early career academic gets this treatment by 'The Blogger', it could ruin their chances of getting promotion, getting invited on projects etc.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">If anyone is close to 'The Blogger' please encourage this person to think carefully about <span style="color: #800180;">the damage they are doing to academic discussion in our community, not to mention to individuals.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Here is the website in question: <a href="https://lexisasmostlocalcontext.blogspot.com/">https://lexisasmostlocalcontext.blogspot.com/</a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">with best wishes</div><div style="text-align: justify;">Lise</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgO2usamDkOxPTkXiIyUuq_UdeAdcnJhgXEMJpy0OnPmJWp9J5_6_ycFnBmZ1VDRalU7NLmn-SEfx_XgUiYVIJ7LsvIcBWhoBWH5XFdabFQaVdDOItJCHcIPmDPmewAmqLqZM84sRSXFsEgVLHNxRMKIPo7seA_BqrP1SPu_wCTC6K7_Kf1NkhTiDS0g/s1466/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="546" data-original-width="1466" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgO2usamDkOxPTkXiIyUuq_UdeAdcnJhgXEMJpy0OnPmJWp9J5_6_ycFnBmZ1VDRalU7NLmn-SEfx_XgUiYVIJ7LsvIcBWhoBWH5XFdabFQaVdDOItJCHcIPmDPmewAmqLqZM84sRSXFsEgVLHNxRMKIPo7seA_BqrP1SPu_wCTC6K7_Kf1NkhTiDS0g/w539-h200/1.png" width="539" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #990000;">[1]</span> This is misleading because it is untrue. The blog is a meticulous review of Fontaine (2017) which uses theory and reasoned argument as evidence to clarify and critique the ideas put forth in the paper. Any intelligent scholar can deepen their knowledge of SFL Theory by taking the trouble to read the review closely. If anything discredits Fontaine, it is the quality of her paper and her misrepresentation of the review as a personal attack.</p><p style="background-color: white; color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0.5em 0px;"><strong class="Latn headword" lang="en"><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/personal#English" style="background: none; color: #0645ad; text-decoration-line: none;" title="personal">personal</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attack#English" style="background: none; color: #0645ad; text-decoration-line: none;" title="attack">attack</a></strong> (<i>plural</i> <b class="Latn form-of lang-en p-form-of" lang="en"><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/personal_attacks#English" style="background: none; color: #0645ad; text-decoration-line: none;" title="personal attacks">personal attacks</a></b>)</p><ol style="background-color: white; color: #202122; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; list-style-image: none; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 3.2em; padding: 0px;"><li style="break-inside: avoid; margin-bottom: 0.1em;">An <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abusive" style="background: none; color: #0645ad; text-decoration-line: none;" title="abusive">abusive</a> remark on or relating to somebody's <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/person" style="background: none; color: #0645ad; text-decoration-line: none;" title="person">person</a> instead of providing <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evidence" style="background: none; color: #0645ad; text-decoration-line: none;" title="evidence">evidence</a> when examining another person's claims or comments.</li></ol><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #b45f06;">[2]</span> This is misleading, because it falsely claims that the blog does not show "where I was wrong, misinformed or otherwise rubbish", and falsely claims that Fontaine has no objection to this being shown.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">[3]</span> This is misleading, because it dismisses all the carefully reasoned argumentation in the review as a personal attack. More importantly, Fontaine has chosen to negatively judge ("personally attack") the reviewer instead of addressing any of the argumentation in the review of her publication.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #bf9000;">[4]</span> This is misleading because it is untrue, since the review is not anonymous and "recourse for dialogue" is afforded for every post by the provision to make comments.</p><p></p><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">[5]</span> This is misleading in two respects. On the one hand, it falsely claims that the reasoned arguments in the review are repeated misrepresentations and personal attacks. On the other hand, it falsely claims that Fontaine has only acted at all times with propriety, despite having previously abused her position as Sysfling manager to unsubscribe her reviewer from the list when she was made aware of <a href="http://cardiff-grammar.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">the review of Fawcett (2010)</a>, by Robin Fawcett posing as 'Dmytro Poremskyi' on the NASFLA site; see <a href="http://thethoughtoccurs.blogspot.com/2020/02/your-right-to-stop-me-saying-it.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</div><p></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #674ea7;">[6]</span> This is misleading because it is inconsistent with Fontaine's claim that the content of the review is repeated misrepresentations and personal attacks, rather than reasoned argumentation. On the one hand, this is an unintentional acknowledgement of the validity of the argumentation, and on the other hand, it argues that institutional promotion should not be based on the academic standards demonstrated by the candidates.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800180;">[7]</span> This is misleading, because it is the lack of reasoned argumentation that threatens the academic and intellectual standards of work by members of the SFL community.</p><div style="text-align: center;">∞</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><div>It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.</div><div>— Thomas Paine</div><div><br /></div><div><div>Without freedom of thought, </div><div>there can be no such thing as wisdom,</div><div>and no such thing as public liberty </div><div>without freedom of speech.</div></div><div>— Benjamin Franklin</div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-2793528813396243542022-07-17T00:00:00.010+10:002022-07-17T07:51:34.416+10:00Mick O'Donnell And David Rose Positively Judging Jim Martin<p><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgCm3tO0g0uRXqrwdv830CVx_tOTM1IHq2qlrE5dkU4daoej9rKn8A-BAhiy4KWqddyGoH6GQsPqkBpCVHJdtG1cJPutgE-58EiqR_wK0-KxL2kiKUAnAneHTWxwtEpipyxNIK1QYOgN5Hu_gHH_yG0-SekcnxlDVw9aBv2kfOWNTDohaWytWbgoAVvQ/s203/Mick_ODonnell.jpg" style="clear: left; display: inline; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"><img border="0" data-original-height="203" data-original-width="163" height="203" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgCm3tO0g0uRXqrwdv830CVx_tOTM1IHq2qlrE5dkU4daoej9rKn8A-BAhiy4KWqddyGoH6GQsPqkBpCVHJdtG1cJPutgE-58EiqR_wK0-KxL2kiKUAnAneHTWxwtEpipyxNIK1QYOgN5Hu_gHH_yG0-SekcnxlDVw9aBv2kfOWNTDohaWytWbgoAVvQ/s1600/Mick_ODonnell.jpg" width="163" /></a><span style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Grammatical-Metaphor,17" target="_blank">Mick O'Donnell wrote to sys-func on 14/7/22 at 9:16</a>:</span></p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">Jim Martin has always impressed me </span><span style="color: #800180;">as someone who, while respecting the whole, is</span> <span style="color: #800180;">willing to change core assumptions, when the needs of linguistic modeling require it</span>. … <span style="color: #38761d;">what is important is that Jim has been (and continues to be) willing to throw out established ideas (even his own) if they don't fit new data.</span> <span style="color: red;">And anyone who is not willing to do similarly is kidding themselves if they think they are doing linguistic science.</span></div></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Grammatical-Metaphor,18" target="_blank">and David Rose replied at 9:23</a>:</p><blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #45818e;">At great personal risk</span></p></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"> </p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjoluq1b6Z0mUQh2sLmWSvPDIkSOKSOMz-SZ8WEo1atltdsI6l3Z7M-OUKcW4fTBBR86tyisy_Jwathp5pZ594fQdifj70yzkBjtG-nuHLr5IZI1JygBZ-VWUfNsy3FrlcOiMGx98_ILMVkGuoxJwTcUvBPsj98iESf8yy84__YGj9tUe-QfskJzBQ8YQ/s1038/1.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="304" data-original-width="1038" height="148" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjoluq1b6Z0mUQh2sLmWSvPDIkSOKSOMz-SZ8WEo1atltdsI6l3Z7M-OUKcW4fTBBR86tyisy_Jwathp5pZ594fQdifj70yzkBjtG-nuHLr5IZI1JygBZ-VWUfNsy3FrlcOiMGx98_ILMVkGuoxJwTcUvBPsj98iESf8yy84__YGj9tUe-QfskJzBQ8YQ/w501-h148/1.png" width="501" /></a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Cf. Martin & Rose (2007: 62) on Martin:</div><div><div><blockquote><div class="gmail_default"><div style="text-align: justify;">His communion with Mandela, at such a distance in so many respects …</div></div></blockquote><p></p><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">For an examination of Martin's theorising, see the review of Martin (1992) <a href="https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/5846355776865559599/279352881339624354#">here</a>.</div><br /><div style="text-align: justify;">For an example of Martin's "propriety", see his falsely accusing Ruqaiya Hasan of plagiarism at a symposium convened to celebrate her life's work after her death <a href="http://thethoughtoccurs.blogspot.com/2016/02/jim-martin-honouring-late-ruqaiya-hasan_18.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</div><p></p></div></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-25018707392771017592022-07-01T17:00:00.007+10:002022-09-04T06:01:16.343+10:00Mick O'Donnell Misrepresenting The Content Of A Blog He Thinks No Longer Exists<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjGIIBwclqxUf3tuNrwSCpCFNji8haJxxIcuFKuGVjtuRGJyKT3aAzsar5gaZ9sAwFfe2067waYVmMKOBkHxcH0mFkOJwiVS3uufb5UdEvCNk0nVcmPHpGFZN7WQZv5GWdNxjMp9Qtj5d2ZdbDnHnCxRlU7T_E1Dj3wDYuvn9ebklsr90uRGVONWkHsiA/s203/Mick_ODonnell.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="203" data-original-width="163" height="203" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjGIIBwclqxUf3tuNrwSCpCFNji8haJxxIcuFKuGVjtuRGJyKT3aAzsar5gaZ9sAwFfe2067waYVmMKOBkHxcH0mFkOJwiVS3uufb5UdEvCNk0nVcmPHpGFZN7WQZv5GWdNxjMp9Qtj5d2ZdbDnHnCxRlU7T_E1Dj3wDYuvn9ebklsr90uRGVONWkHsiA/s1600/Mick_ODonnell.jpg" width="163" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Martins-Stratification-Of-Context,7" target="_blank">Mick O'Donnell replied to David Kellogg on sys-func on 29/6/22 at 00:43</a>: <span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-size: small;"> </span><br /><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Chris's quotes from MAKH. it is not the positive presentation of the center, but rather <span style="color: red;">the continual negative portrayal of the differing views. But not usually on sys-func, more typically on one of Chris's blogs</span><span style="color: #3d85c6;">, I think intended most for his friends.</span> <span style="color: #ff00fe;">I see he has dropped</span> <a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/">http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com</a>, <span style="color: red;">a site that regularly snidely put down anyone he didn't like</span> <span style="color: #bf9000;">(I was sometimes there)</span><span style="color: #ff00fe;">, but more importantly, he got negatively personal regarding people I care about, including unethical things (lifting stuff from a friend's Facebook, putting it on his blog, and when she asked him to take it down, he didn't, just posted on the blog her privately-sent request to remove it.)</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">This is not what MAKH was about: he was always fair, did not <span style="color: #990000;">attack other views</span> (with rare exceptions), but rather <span style="color: #990000;">painted a picture of what he believed was best</span>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">So, positive quotes, good, <span style="color: #990000;">reasoned arguments, good</span>, <span style="color: red;">snide comments</span> on <span style="color: #45818e;">semi-hidden blogspots</span>, not so good.</div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhL2Nx6RMlsqimZCiKRVT8P9rY2KIKwcRYzGkV6cOtsa__7pJMUmfIz0mEFiLBrG8pgfx7eCR-srotmyqEi-mm2YtyoSbXFVyVblpAXX-fX-WpIJdlakupL3UBEvHg7KpGFviHo1Csp3WT2RdPeOwSqTe6pQLEOBAobWeqOqsHQgvAdWzY_n_xTkq2EYA/s1242/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="166" data-original-width="1242" height="71" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhL2Nx6RMlsqimZCiKRVT8P9rY2KIKwcRYzGkV6cOtsa__7pJMUmfIz0mEFiLBrG8pgfx7eCR-srotmyqEi-mm2YtyoSbXFVyVblpAXX-fX-WpIJdlakupL3UBEvHg7KpGFviHo1Csp3WT2RdPeOwSqTe6pQLEOBAobWeqOqsHQgvAdWzY_n_xTkq2EYA/w526-h71/1.png" width="526" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">[1]</span> Here O'Donnell misrepresents as "snidely putting down anyone he didn't like" the reasoned arguments<span style="text-align: left;"> on </span><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/">Thoughts That Cross My Mind</a><span style="text-align: left;"> </span>that explain why <span style="text-align: left;">the confidently expressed views of colleagues are in fact inconsistent with SFL Theory.</span></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">[2]</span> To be clear, the blog is intended to help anyone who wants to improve their understanding of SFL Theory, especially those who are taught by colleagues who do not understand it. To date, the blog has been viewed 82,254 times, which is equivalent to about 100 views for every subscriber to Sysfling, the largest SFL email list.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">[3]</span> The question here is why O'Donnell raises the issue of a blog which he believes no longer exists. To be clear, it is because O'Donnell falsely believes that the blog no longer exists that he feels safe in being able to misrepresent its content. The incident that O'Donnell regards as "unethical" was the downloading of Fontaine's image from her university website so it could be placed next to her two posts on the blog. Fontaine wasn't singled out in this regard. All posts on the blog feature an image of the colleague whose views are examined. The image at the time was simply:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRh6sAw2ReJcAVaHqi2bQ4RNhURyNYmRJoS4MBoQxfB3-QFrzD-olx3-ucB9G0OGJfkfgg9J3RFDq94ndOn9qZ4zAASIuG5L1BMihybK4z0M3AHQ7susBfc2H3NTH2Mbb69t544rrAJn_H8ZHuKEuLPcXjnZnrU55A7cTcbU3nu8MIxIW6vSp0GFFjzA/s107/fontaine-lise.jpeg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="107" data-original-width="95" height="107" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRh6sAw2ReJcAVaHqi2bQ4RNhURyNYmRJoS4MBoQxfB3-QFrzD-olx3-ucB9G0OGJfkfgg9J3RFDq94ndOn9qZ4zAASIuG5L1BMihybK4z0M3AHQ7susBfc2H3NTH2Mbb69t544rrAJn_H8ZHuKEuLPcXjnZnrU55A7cTcbU3nu8MIxIW6vSp0GFFjzA/s1600/fontaine-lise.jpeg" width="95" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;">As regular viewers of the blog in the intervening 10 years can testify, no private request for the picture to be removed appears on the blog. It might be added that this incident "blew up" at the same time as I was being dishonestly vilified on the Sysfling list in the week of my mother's funeral:</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="http://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2012/01/david-rose-negatively-judging-chris.html" style="text-align: left;">David Rose Negatively Judging My 'Behaviour'</a> and</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="http://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2012/01/robin-fawcett-negatively-judging.html">Robin Fawcett Negatively Judging My SFL Blogs</a></div></blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #bf9000;">[4]</span> To be clear, currently there are 22 posts on the blog that examine O'Donnell's understanding of SFL Theory, all of which can be viewed <a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/search/label/O%27Donnell" target="_blank">here</a>.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #990000;">[5]</span> Again, O'Donnell misleads by implying that the reasoned arguments that explain why colleagues' views are misunderstandings of theory are not reasoned arguments, but merely an "attack on other views" that do not "paint a picture" of what is consistent with theory.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #45818e;">[6]</span> This is misleading. To be clear, the blog <span style="text-align: left;"> </span><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/">Thoughts That Cross My Mind</a> is not "semi-hidden", as demonstrated by the fact that it has been viewed more than 80,000 times. A link to the blog also appears at least once a week on the Sys-func list. O'Donnell's complaint here is that what he misrepresents as 'snide comments' are not as publicly available as they should be.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">∞</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;">Again, O'Donnell engages in the very act that he deplores in others: making personal attacks instead of reasoning on the basis of evidence.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><p></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-39666414000254819592022-06-29T17:00:00.010+10:002023-01-16T07:09:29.288+11:00Mick O'Donnell Falsely Accusing The Sys-Func Moderator Of Misogyny<p><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Martins-Stratification-Of-Context,5" style="text-align: justify;" target="_blank"></a></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgm2yUhlXJRqNO4viHTAF3L_gbGToLwcGu8v-Ppy1X0rNZ9VpRwDIlQ8So8yecVzmYJexXkfEuzxJ50xcjWyJnCy7SSQ17Y_VtXiKjNaJRA1QdzzmZWeoclS0rr5xpzjqNNuQ-6sQKtNk487x7rg4-hh0e8c9lUWxEhlUJCUu7xfZAtyGZfo3O03mbYqg/s203/Mick_ODonnell.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="203" data-original-width="163" height="203" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgm2yUhlXJRqNO4viHTAF3L_gbGToLwcGu8v-Ppy1X0rNZ9VpRwDIlQ8So8yecVzmYJexXkfEuzxJ50xcjWyJnCy7SSQ17Y_VtXiKjNaJRA1QdzzmZWeoclS0rr5xpzjqNNuQ-6sQKtNk487x7rg4-hh0e8c9lUWxEhlUJCUu7xfZAtyGZfo3O03mbYqg/s1600/Mick_ODonnell.jpg" width="163" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Martins-Stratification-Of-Context,5" target="_blank">Mick O'Donnell wrote sys-func on 28/6/22 at 19:37<span style="text-align: justify;">:</span></a><p></p><div style="text-align: justify;">Chris, your blogspot is a place where <span style="color: red;">you choose to insult</span> <span style="color: #6aa84f;">those who are not as pure as you</span>. In some cases, <span style="color: #3d85c6;">your misogynist tendencies</span> shine through. <span style="color: #990000;">This is the worst of what we have become.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilCM_SsXB3eWJ_26voWJ7ncWLjWWVGK9tLYrl30cBtc7AxkSjK2J6ooCvTUaK7Bw1mG5GF_a0IgwmHi7rD0f4KmCItb9tr7N0rRIwOVLbWojqFxCBvACLoq19aqvQ-U2kcCZfiukgrRZS0rIp6yFuBGh5Q_-TmRR122REKjf-Ld0i_6_9zbWicp3FkAQ/s1146/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="314" data-original-width="1146" height="127" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilCM_SsXB3eWJ_26voWJ7ncWLjWWVGK9tLYrl30cBtc7AxkSjK2J6ooCvTUaK7Bw1mG5GF_a0IgwmHi7rD0f4KmCItb9tr7N0rRIwOVLbWojqFxCBvACLoq19aqvQ-U2kcCZfiukgrRZS0rIp6yFuBGh5Q_-TmRR122REKjf-Ld0i_6_9zbWicp3FkAQ/w459-h127/1.png" width="459" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: justify;">1. Here O'Donnell indulges in the behaviour he falsely accuses his colleague of doing: insulting.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">2. 'Pure' here means being true to theory (theoretically consistent).</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">3. There is no misogyny on the blog <i><a href="http://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Thoughts That Cross My Mind</a></i>, as the blog itself demonstrates, and with regard to gender, the blog treats males and females equally. Here O'Donnell has told an outright lie in order to vilify.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">4. A few years ago, O'Donnell, supported by John Bateman, tried to deceive ChRIS into writing a paper for a non-existent collection they dishonestly claimed to be putting together.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">5. As a postgraduate student, O'Donnell and his former collaborator, Peter Sefton, routinely ridiculed a female student from another country to her face, taking advantage of the fact that she trusted them to act sincerely and was unable to recognise the ridicule. This behaviour was observed not only regularly in the Sydney University Linguistics Department but more publicly at the 1992 ISFC at Macquarie University. She subsequently dropped out, and soon after had a nervous breakdown.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">6. For some, dishonest vilification like O'Donnell's is "the worst of what we have become". See also:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2012/01/david-rose-negatively-judging-chris.html" target="_blank">David Rose Negatively Judging My 'Behaviour'.</a></div></blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-10390782607483266752022-06-19T10:00:00.016+10:002024-02-27T08:51:39.023+11:00David Rose Negatively Judging The Late Ruqaiya Hasan<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEit9K6v1iEzuYrUFVJYQAj5IF9YXiJFnlt06pc7e8l2qPlQlEfExrYgFjvG9Wmqw0LKcb8Okzk-DRAd6MvHCdG07Roq5m0icHwQaurz4zPYkrag7cu1jjn9S0OfiHdQFYzkAlSruNRh5TkboePZ2XRXAwjdOHzjPLOnXr-rg_uoJhmD33_nLv3VdDvM5Q/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEit9K6v1iEzuYrUFVJYQAj5IF9YXiJFnlt06pc7e8l2qPlQlEfExrYgFjvG9Wmqw0LKcb8Okzk-DRAd6MvHCdG07Roq5m0icHwQaurz4zPYkrag7cu1jjn9S0OfiHdQFYzkAlSruNRh5TkboePZ2XRXAwjdOHzjPLOnXr-rg_uoJhmD33_nLv3VdDvM5Q/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Scale-Category-Grammar-Halliday-1961,11" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to sys-func on 17/6/22 at 12:04</a>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #990000;">It was sad to be reminded of RH’s ‘refutation’ of JRM’s work, especially as he constantly refers and defers to her throughout <i>English Text</i> and ever since, building the field respectfully on the work of its elders. There has been nothing else like it in SFL that I know of.</span> <span style="color: #3d85c6;">The nearest in my own experience was the dismissive review of <i>The Western Desert Code</i> in AJL, which aimed to keep Australian descriptivists in the dark about SFL for another generation.</span> <span style="color: #800180;">It was sad I think for herself, as <i>Cohesion in English</i> established her as a major authority in discourse analysis, but her later research retreated from its visionary discourse semantics to cataloguing message types.</span> <span style="color: red;">It was sad for MAKH because it asked him to choose between his ally and leader of the next SFL generation, and the stance of his life partner.</span> <span style="color: #e69138;">He also retreated from the discourse semantic trajectory of <i>CinE</i> to ambivalence and guarded acknowledgements</span>, such as in Ch9 of <i>IFG</i>...</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><blockquote><span style="font-size: xx-small;">‘The organisation of text is semantic rather than lexicogrammatical, and (at least as far as cohesion is concerned; we are not going into questions of register/ contextual structure in this book; see Halliday & Hasan, 1985; Hasan, 1984; Martin, 1992: Ch. 7, Martin & Rose, 2003, 2008) much looser than that of grammatical units.’</span></blockquote></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #7f6000;">It was sad also for SFL, as it aimed to split a community</span> that was and remains vulnerable to its institutional competitors. <span style="color: #ff00fe;">A sad legacy for a brilliant career</span>.</div></blockquote><div style="text-align: right;"><p> </p></div><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWJOKTDTWPnXmQV5-k6dL51fBkdcCkCk1Oz69XtbpIxoyXtRqd6AcGJlEFQSQP4a0SIBWJAuK-7q3-Ob23SkJTQROzxWAE8lih4kdM4bbQPPTErscWWRQtR8yUw2OfhQVXGoFD8w_oHE5QoyvWx19lSn4wksx3Uup-Wf7G3uX-g56TrWvlzKv745YLeg/s1578/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="834" data-original-width="1578" height="338" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWJOKTDTWPnXmQV5-k6dL51fBkdcCkCk1Oz69XtbpIxoyXtRqd6AcGJlEFQSQP4a0SIBWJAuK-7q3-Ob23SkJTQROzxWAE8lih4kdM4bbQPPTErscWWRQtR8yUw2OfhQVXGoFD8w_oHE5QoyvWx19lSn4wksx3Uup-Wf7G3uX-g56TrWvlzKv745YLeg/w640-h338/1.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #990000;">[1]</span> Rose begins by negatively appreciating Kellogg mentioning Hasan's refutation of Martin's model of context because the refutation — which was without equal — was Hasan being disrespectful to Martin despite the fact that Martin has always been respectful of Hasan. That is, Rose is not at all concerned with the question of whether the refutation has any validity. </p><p style="text-align: justify;">On the positive judgement of Martin's propriety, the reason why Martin "constantly refers" to Hasan in his <i>English Text</i> (1992) is that Halliday & Hasan (1976) is the data for Martin's theorising. That is, as explained <a href="http://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">here</a>, Martin's discourse semantics is Halliday & Hasan's cohesion misunderstood, relocated from textual lexicogrammar, and rebranded as Martin's systems.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">Moreover, it is simply not true that Martin has always been respectful of Hasan. For example, with regard to Martin (1992), see, for example:</p><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px; text-align: left;"><a href="http://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/02/presenting-misunderstandings-of-hasans.html">Presenting Misunderstandings Of Hasan's Cohesive Harmony As Deficiencies In The Model<br /></a><a href="http://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/02/misrepresenting-hasans-work-as-formalist.html">Misrepresenting Hasan's Work On Coherence As Formalist<br /></a><a href="http://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/05/not-acknowledging-hasans-work-as-source.html">Not Acknowledging Hasan As Intellectual Source<br /></a><a href="http://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/05/under-acknowledging-hasan-as.html">Under-Acknowledging Hasan As Theoretical Source<br /></a><a href="http://discourse-semantics.blogspot.com/2016/09/strategically-misrepresenting-hasan.html">Strategically Misrepresenting Hasan</a></blockquote><div><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">More importantly, after Hasan's death, a symposium was organised to celebrate her life's work, and Martin was one of the speakers. In his talk he falsely accused Hasan of plagiarism, and urged his audience to use his model instead of hers. When pressure was later put on Martin to retract his claim, he only acknowledged his factual error; there was no apology. See <a href="http://thethoughtoccurs.blogspot.com/2016/02/jim-martin-honouring-late-ruqaiya-hasan_18.html" target="_blank">Jim Martin "Honouring" The Late Ruqaiya Hasan</a>. The truth, of course, is that it was Martin who practiced the plagiarism, and at Hasan's expense.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">[2]</span> Rose then accuses his own reviewers of the type of behaviour he himself engages in: disparaging work he does not align with. Again, Rose is not at all concerned with the question of whether the review had any validity. </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #800180;">[3]</span> Rose next positively appreciates Hasan for her work that he misrepresents as discourse semantics (Martin's model) so that he can negatively appreciate her for her subsequent (non-Martinian) work which he falsely reduces to mere 'message semantics'.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">[4]</span> Rose then negatively judges Hasan for forcing Halliday to choose between her and Jim Martin, whom Rose positively appreciates as the 'leader of the next SFL generation'. On the first point, Halliday's "choice" is his own model. On the second point, Halliday "chose" Matthiessen, not Martin, to edit later editions of his seminal work <i>Introduction to Functional Grammar</i>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #e69138;">[5]</span> Rose next negatively judges Halliday for not adopting Martin's discourse semantics, and for not recommending it highly enough. On the one hand, the acknowledgement was added by Matthiessen — it does not appear in Halliday's editions — and on the other hand, it generously endorses the work of Martin and Rose, without judgement.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #7f6000;">[6]</span> Rose then negatively judges Hasan by misrepresenting her intention in critiquing Martin's model to be to 'split' the SFL community. On the one hand, Rose is again uninterested in the validity of her critique, and on the other hand, any 'splitting' of the community arises from the 'splitting' of the theory — by Martin.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff00fe;">[7]</span> Rose finishes by contrasting a positive appreciation of Hasan's career with a negative appreciation of her legacy.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;">∞</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Rose's post proved so outrageous that he was forced to apologise in order to staunch the flow of condemnation from colleagues on the sys-func list. And, for this very pragmatic response, Rose was then congratulated for being 'brave'. However, as his apology, below, demonstrates, Rose only acknowledges that his post was 'poorly framed', and continues blaming Hasan's critique of Martin's model for 'the split in the community':</div><div style="text-align: right;"><blockquote style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Scale-Category-Grammar-Halliday-1961,16" target="_blank">Her contribution was enormous and a huge influence on all of us. <span style="color: #2b00fe;">I was lamenting the split in the community and the place of that paper. Very poorly framed.</span> I apologise to everyone offended by my poor judgement, and thanks for pulling me up on it.</a></blockquote></div><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-8788906365526339332022-06-16T15:00:00.004+10:002022-06-19T07:18:57.246+10:00David Rose Negatively Judging David Kellogg For Judging Negatively<p><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIGte2yMiq8PZaMX0m9jsB_-qTfexi-mvvT2P6O_7YBtQPivO2Ks7RNDV_mhp2o06Kg5qABGdDCyVO8lvu4w9Ae1tq5e8-oABI1nSsKdWGVY7srAUoL1tJ70D60ZiOErJ2EEDvhoTUXzDUOL67FNccmh6e3N1Ik2XPHKZAX5MiZqKrFaf4Nx6arOYKlA/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; display: inline; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIGte2yMiq8PZaMX0m9jsB_-qTfexi-mvvT2P6O_7YBtQPivO2Ks7RNDV_mhp2o06Kg5qABGdDCyVO8lvu4w9Ae1tq5e8-oABI1nSsKdWGVY7srAUoL1tJ70D60ZiOErJ2EEDvhoTUXzDUOL67FNccmh6e3N1Ik2XPHKZAX5MiZqKrFaf4Nx6arOYKlA/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a><span style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Scale-Category-Grammar-Halliday-1961,9" target="_blank">David Rose replied to David Kellogg on sys-func on 16/6/22 at 12:00</a>:</span></p><blockquote><div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red;">I tried to say this more subtly before, as ‘judgement overtaking reason’ … </span></div><div style="text-align: justify;">the rhetorical problem with forceful appreciations like ‘rejection’ and ‘refutation’, is that they shut down readers’ options for evaluation, and so weaken the writer’s argument, except for the already convinced.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div></div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj71f0jZmDhGvtVfw8C0Yz5CAvfKERCgAOH6ScQ1i94uu3LHXHGYP2ZqCLShyf4RFLFpfWt3mqAEcnR6lH5qxS54p_soIsbzbZ0xZkOnBCe3cg5qKGQagrlRZofNyo5qVnTrZO6BlcaVgOeCwBZf1t1G5-7S-A6XONf-9GE9vcYKiLJWjk7D2bAtO_Pog/s1056/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="306" data-original-width="1056" height="116" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj71f0jZmDhGvtVfw8C0Yz5CAvfKERCgAOH6ScQ1i94uu3LHXHGYP2ZqCLShyf4RFLFpfWt3mqAEcnR6lH5qxS54p_soIsbzbZ0xZkOnBCe3cg5qKGQagrlRZofNyo5qVnTrZO6BlcaVgOeCwBZf1t1G5-7S-A6XONf-9GE9vcYKiLJWjk7D2bAtO_Pog/w400-h116/1.png" width="400" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">Here Rose falsely accuses Kellogg of using judgement instead of reason while doing this very thing himself. That is, instead of presenting a reasoned response on the validity of the content of Kellogg's post, Rose merely judges Kellogg as judging instead of reasoning.</p><p>What David Kellogg actually wrote to sys-func on 16/6/22 at 11:18:</p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">There is an excellent discussion of the important differences (and also the even more important similarities) between the 1961 grammar and the SFL of ten years later in</span></div></blockquote><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Matthiessen, C.M.I.M., Wang, B., Ma, Y.-Y. and Mwinllaaru, I.N. (2022). Systemic Functional Insights on Language and Linguistics. Singapore: Springer Nature.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">See p. 104, and table 4.3. But see also Christian Matthiessen's comment on how scale-&-category theory was already neo-Firthian, because it introduced the paradigmatic axis as co-equal to the syntagmatic one. Matthiessen has a beautiful demonstration of how this made it easier for Halliday to deal with consonant clusters (because you could treat them as offering different paradigmatic systems at different points in the syntagmatic structure) and how that, in turn, led to the clear distinction between instantiation and realisation that is <span style="color: #38761d;">rejected</span> in the Martin model.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">But see also Ruqaiya Hasan's <span style="color: #38761d;">refutation</span> of "connotative semiotic" and "discourse semantics" in Volume Four of her Collected Works:</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Hasan, R. (2016). Context in the System and Process of Language. London: Equinox.</span></div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-41169388557439078062022-06-14T00:00:00.002+10:002022-06-14T08:28:08.210+10:00David Rose Judging 'Old Man' Halliday<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg83IRvxZ49fH3yRdsaHz6Dn0SU01yaRHKrbRIIFen13pJC1W5EV7Zl2mVFFJB4y6i1wTi9EKu_t36nzJeVF139oG_pCTR8UZgSN-QWAYVY2WcguhEjkP0WrVVias_B3ckn4wDC_fx8mPXekLfPy-3w1Pozbz-R3XDQrPHp1Bkpv3h86X-xtVUs5OEfIw/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg83IRvxZ49fH3yRdsaHz6Dn0SU01yaRHKrbRIIFen13pJC1W5EV7Zl2mVFFJB4y6i1wTi9EKu_t36nzJeVF139oG_pCTR8UZgSN-QWAYVY2WcguhEjkP0WrVVias_B3ckn4wDC_fx8mPXekLfPy-3w1Pozbz-R3XDQrPHp1Bkpv3h86X-xtVUs5OEfIw/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Hallidays-Linear-Taxonomy-Of-Types-Of-SystemProcess,11" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Hallidays-Linear-Taxonomy-Of-Types-Of-SystemProcess,11" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to sys-func on 3/6/22 at 11:08</a>:</div><p></p><div><blockquote style="text-align: justify;">I’m interested in the fields these metaphors are imported from. Put ‘exchange’ together with ‘powerhouse where meaning are made’, with what we know of <span style="color: red;">the</span> <span style="color: red;">old man</span>’s history and what motivated his career, and we get the field of Marxist theory of economic production and exchange, combined with Hjelmslev’s theory of semiotic strata.</blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/The-Stratification-of-the-Content-Plane,8" target="_blank">and on 8/6/22 at 17:10</a>: </p><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Far from revisionism, each of us can do no more than apply and extend <span style="color: red;">the</span> <span style="color: red;">old man</span><span>’s</span><span style="color: red;"> </span><span>work</span>…</div></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><p style="text-align: justify;">1. Old = venerable</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9WtnL7UzFGd4gu2carIjUvA8_gayo-dF7JPpWXgCUmij1scd7tWIR2anDUBuCyWuENPLfDoFvm_Jb3Co63b1znO7_1ydMM-KqqifpqmLDcxuEeQ2_pMdg7Ty-xDZvcgo2njyBgSkbVA4JRBcIlLd9v4ankp2BRpEE_JqhwFRblcmGtOz8vk35y33-tQ/s898/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="172" data-original-width="898" height="76" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9WtnL7UzFGd4gu2carIjUvA8_gayo-dF7JPpWXgCUmij1scd7tWIR2anDUBuCyWuENPLfDoFvm_Jb3Co63b1znO7_1ydMM-KqqifpqmLDcxuEeQ2_pMdg7Ty-xDZvcgo2njyBgSkbVA4JRBcIlLd9v4ankp2BRpEE_JqhwFRblcmGtOz8vk35y33-tQ/w400-h76/1.png" width="400" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">2. Old = antiquated, outdated, outmoded, obsolete, passé</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfdWbecLik3m9Zlo9SZ1rnneOREpXsE_J6Kr_8bq0ssYwJUNDnonEYRVAcfpT2Vq8DLLybUqedyBKJtDTA_Avz9zQV6jOpggfMZI1eWBCu7rE931JU0oz7Nh0h1zHFtaxLxTkdQki-FSQcugRn2kIS-yjDQcNKBbz6_hqW5oCQfwb6mSNMq912DVnD_Q/s900/2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="168" data-original-width="900" height="75" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfdWbecLik3m9Zlo9SZ1rnneOREpXsE_J6Kr_8bq0ssYwJUNDnonEYRVAcfpT2Vq8DLLybUqedyBKJtDTA_Avz9zQV6jOpggfMZI1eWBCu7rE931JU0oz7Nh0h1zHFtaxLxTkdQki-FSQcugRn2kIS-yjDQcNKBbz6_hqW5oCQfwb6mSNMq912DVnD_Q/w400-h75/2.png" width="400" /></a></div><p></p></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-6283901876354442822022-06-11T00:00:00.003+10:002022-06-11T10:26:04.912+10:00David Rose Evoking Negative Judgement Of David Kellogg<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjlM6iGDACprwSHZWTpkAL4y1sKmcS0eDHe7OvR2YKNRH8krRQM_V98M_LhvjfwnttD7nka-6lVT83J0J19wMDuL-utMpzVo0gBOr28TQm5-Hu4OPHhxmMbzbHyDEKKhYs_Ape619obk9HNBmMQLTLn6hpeyap4uugkbhcaSNy1sgZQg1_OF_1aeNzD_A/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjlM6iGDACprwSHZWTpkAL4y1sKmcS0eDHe7OvR2YKNRH8krRQM_V98M_LhvjfwnttD7nka-6lVT83J0J19wMDuL-utMpzVo0gBOr28TQm5-Hu4OPHhxmMbzbHyDEKKhYs_Ape619obk9HNBmMQLTLn6hpeyap4uugkbhcaSNy1sgZQg1_OF_1aeNzD_A/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a></div> <a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/The-Stratification-of-the-Content-Plane,8" style="text-align: justify;" target="_blank">David Rose responded To David Kellogg on sys-func on 8/6/22 at 17:10</a><span style="text-align: justify;">:</span><p></p><div style="text-align: justify;"></div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">DK’s argument seems reasonable until perhaps point e) when for some reason, <span style="color: red;">judgement overtakes reason</span> (which DK himself might admit;).</div></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYNrMO22kKcfETLIt2LHpzN9PbI9FTmIZyEjkhzIEPLWhQILvAekwAp1NzWQYjALPKEV0hhghioTfgtiaZUhxRJtLNs2LNOQBdZqcJLgT0VjX4lcqrffwCJ9oHVCV7okN3hZUHja5KE60GMHMeQYFDcTrL_TnC7n4XkyGMiLbQWYixTm8pDjXG-1W7lA/s1502/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="322" data-original-width="1502" height="138" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYNrMO22kKcfETLIt2LHpzN9PbI9FTmIZyEjkhzIEPLWhQILvAekwAp1NzWQYjALPKEV0hhghioTfgtiaZUhxRJtLNs2LNOQBdZqcJLgT0VjX4lcqrffwCJ9oHVCV7okN3hZUHja5KE60GMHMeQYFDcTrL_TnC7n4XkyGMiLbQWYixTm8pDjXG-1W7lA/w640-h138/1.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/The-Stratification-of-the-Content-Plane,6" style="text-align: justify;" target="_blank">David Kellogg had written on sys-func on 8/6/22 at 6:50</a><span style="text-align: justify;">:</span><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">e) … The idea that the "discourse semantics" of Martin and Rose is somehow "implicit" in the examples of MAKH is a classic revisionist move on the part of Rose. In this case, it's an extremely weak revisionist move, since the theoretician (MAKH) is also the primary data gatherer and data interpreter, and he explicitly rejects this possibility. …</div></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;"><br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;">See also <a href="https://thoughts-that-cross-my-mind.blogspot.com/2022/06/david-rose-denying-revisionism-of.html" target="_blank">David Rose Denying The Revisionism Of Martin's Discourse Semantics</a>.</p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-4426585733187855712022-06-02T09:00:00.053+10:002022-06-03T07:51:39.701+10:00David Rose Evoking Negative Assessment By Inscribing Positive Judgement<p><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYKFq7SECNfo_kaRM9FB3-AerK05hveVGpy5xJ9fkocWviAuX0Oiip3k13ogWVotKulU_ESZmQtcpGfgZVwQKrx_iJnHddtu8exSvYvIpgsR_JfCQFVa8THic1aNhKdqFX5Uy3iP128dGAgwTdRBOTwFeE79mnSM7DysnZMr-MI5JKaEVgYDd6wr6cZQ/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; display: inline; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYKFq7SECNfo_kaRM9FB3-AerK05hveVGpy5xJ9fkocWviAuX0Oiip3k13ogWVotKulU_ESZmQtcpGfgZVwQKrx_iJnHddtu8exSvYvIpgsR_JfCQFVa8THic1aNhKdqFX5Uy3iP128dGAgwTdRBOTwFeE79mnSM7DysnZMr-MI5JKaEVgYDd6wr6cZQ/s1600/drose_small.jpg" width="120" /></a><a href="https://www.freelists.org/post/sys-func/Hallidays-Linear-Taxonomy-Of-Types-Of-SystemProcess,9" style="text-align: justify;" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to sys-func on 2 June 2022 at 7:01</a><span style="text-align: justify;">:</span></p><div style="text-align: justify;">Can I also express <span style="color: red;">gratitude</span> to Chris for his <span style="color: #2b00fe;">courage</span> and <span style="color: #3d85c6;">grace</span> in stimulating this forum. I have <span style="color: #990000;">missed</span> it.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjM6au4vIvhyaaUGMd5Utrx21RBmZPbkPEgLA0rXLpV5eqNTDnfn8fcFCuQGFRWwPjbwoJ1aGVbaqqq8swOcW2nwWfn_VVN2FDywX1aiyvo8N-FwNlSEKzV97_At6yelWsGBm5C_9pDOO0Qqhe4ey48QXymv43PpXLX_gm8hunisHmqh_3um_JG7cJnXA/s1288/1.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="318" data-original-width="1288" height="117" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjM6au4vIvhyaaUGMd5Utrx21RBmZPbkPEgLA0rXLpV5eqNTDnfn8fcFCuQGFRWwPjbwoJ1aGVbaqqq8swOcW2nwWfn_VVN2FDywX1aiyvo8N-FwNlSEKzV97_At6yelWsGBm5C_9pDOO0Qqhe4ey48QXymv43PpXLX_gm8hunisHmqh_3um_JG7cJnXA/w476-h117/1.png" width="476" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">Since "stimulating this forum" requires neither courage nor grace, the only purpose in raising these qualities is to set up the insinuation that they are othertimes lacking, while implying that they are not lacking in one who has missed them (a positive self-assessment).</div><div><br /></div><div>See also <a href="https://attitude-in-sfl.blogspot.com/2012/01/david-rose-negatively-judging-chris.html" target="_blank">David Rose Negatively Judging My 'Behaviour'</a>.</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846355776865559599.post-57602852077369918022022-04-10T00:00:00.002+10:002022-06-11T14:18:42.743+10:00Jim Martin And David Rose Recommending Martin et al.<div style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=8289CEDEE20436CA23&Y=&P=4901" target="_blank"></a><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=8289CEDEE20436CA23&Y=&P=4901" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEguNoZixr3XBUDe5SVzoE7SwSIx92kmj6139wo8H8GyJX5kMc67gG5uC6n1X7UbMqfnay16Eo_PtvOWkWozD4Y1LAYwUIjiJ_SvrpppUHjtY6UYsaMZkSq50kViuwljIUUUmO1io-NvWNPQJWH3Zks2mjCuVwGB0zpsSy9RGpG_jyq4nJJuV7Ixu2QMow/s111/oldman.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="111" data-original-width="103" height="111" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEguNoZixr3XBUDe5SVzoE7SwSIx92kmj6139wo8H8GyJX5kMc67gG5uC6n1X7UbMqfnay16Eo_PtvOWkWozD4Y1LAYwUIjiJ_SvrpppUHjtY6UYsaMZkSq50kViuwljIUUUmO1io-NvWNPQJWH3Zks2mjCuVwGB0zpsSy9RGpG_jyq4nJJuV7Ixu2QMow/s1600/oldman.jpg" width="103" /></a></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=E0008668A1710D691E&Y=&P=4901" target="_blank">James Martin wrote to SYSFLING on 3 Mar 2022, at 23:02</a>:</div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">Alongside notional reasoning from above we could explore reactances (such as <span style="color: #38761d;">those reviewed in detail in <i>Deploying Functional Grammar</i></span>, Chapter 4 Section 3 Troubleshooting).</div></blockquote><br /><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&D=0&O=D&X=3F3E94288B41699F01&Y=&P=8838" target="_blank"></a><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&D=0&O=D&X=3F3E94288B41699F01&Y=&P=8838" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhra0R5s-wM3IaGyAxrm0CrWBlRuE5zLtJCstzHUfgwneRW4AUKPm_K6w6oXOTwmg5_JrIhfU2Wa8rPgX3Xgg1fJBMHzYDgTzKxRWPXeuAdrgKofuRv9h7m_799G1zdJK1RlmGuWBqlx2hhCIETcCTD0e-f6e6vCqUXXWZ3fY4xTaSdHt-EEaY_5XTrew/s160/drose_small.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="160" data-original-width="120" height="140" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhra0R5s-wM3IaGyAxrm0CrWBlRuE5zLtJCstzHUfgwneRW4AUKPm_K6w6oXOTwmg5_JrIhfU2Wa8rPgX3Xgg1fJBMHzYDgTzKxRWPXeuAdrgKofuRv9h7m_799G1zdJK1RlmGuWBqlx2hhCIETcCTD0e-f6e6vCqUXXWZ3fY4xTaSdHt-EEaY_5XTrew/w105-h140/drose_small.jpg" width="105" /></a></div><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&D=0&O=D&X=6822537A9FEFF88102&Y=&P=8838" target="_blank">David Rose wrote to: SYSFLING on 4 Mar 2022, 09:58</a>:<br /><div><blockquote style="text-align: justify;">For a practical introduction to SFG, <span style="color: #38761d;"><i>Deploying Functional Grammar</i> provides a helpful clear model</span>.</blockquote><br /><a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa-jisc.exe?A2=ind2203&L=SYSFLING&O=D&X=7AF4D9A6E17817C7EC&Y=&P=17929" target="_blank">and then on 6 Mar 2022, at 22:20</a>:</div><blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;">See also IFG Table 5-45 <i>Criteria for distinguishing process types</i>. (Chapter 5 of IFG discusses these thoroughly, for each process type. <span style="color: #38761d;"><i>Deploying Functional Grammar</i> makes them easy</span>)</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: right;"></div></blockquote><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><u>Blogger Comments</u></b>:</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisK2iPAePiToJCbrZ_1fXVzk1-VHTAuwgZocIjR9ejtVXn89L4nW_xgg1B-x6kwmOy8jfG0eSeTx--kW-wtko7mgZhhOysJPUbuOIZD4jNZvDjx33iRRzeH9STAeTykUSRMzVng2eiZB6mvcvYiS6hwp5XNUO8h3tKNa5rrlWolBA45kA81U0lh6W3GQ/s1000/1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="268" data-original-width="1000" height="108" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisK2iPAePiToJCbrZ_1fXVzk1-VHTAuwgZocIjR9ejtVXn89L4nW_xgg1B-x6kwmOy8jfG0eSeTx--kW-wtko7mgZhhOysJPUbuOIZD4jNZvDjx33iRRzeH9STAeTykUSRMzVng2eiZB6mvcvYiS6hwp5XNUO8h3tKNa5rrlWolBA45kA81U0lh6W3GQ/w400-h108/1.png" width="400" /></a></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: justify;">For a reality check, see the close examination of <i>Deploying Functional Grammar</i> <a href="http://deployingfunctionalgrammar.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">here</a>, especially Chapter 4 <a href="http://deployingfunctionalgrammar.blogspot.com/search/label/chapter%204%3A%20transitivity" target="_blank">here</a>. This work is inconsistent with <i>IFG</i> with regard to distinguishing behavioural from verbal processes, the experiential structure of the nominal group, and most especially, the logical structure of the verbal group.</div> Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0